400830 - Unaccounted airmen - 30-8-1940

**Resmoroh** · 22nd January 2022, 07:19

Hello,
ROBERTS was an Air Ministry civilian Meteorologist on duty at the time of the raid.
Peter Davies

**Resmoroh** · 23rd January 2022, 15:53

ROBERTS was born 14 Mar 1901 (Reg Plymouth). Enlisted RAF Dec 1923 - for 12 yrs as a Clerk. He joined Met Office under an AM scheme to employ ex-Regular Airmen (all this from Lyffe, who researched him).
But still missing his RAF service number!!
TIA
Peter Davies

**cozzy711** · 24th January 2022, 05:34

Fw Fritz ECKERT Pilot of He111H-2 ‘A1 + JP’ of 6./KG 53. Killed during combat by RAF fighters during a raid on Radlett, Hertfordshire. The observer took over the controls and made a successful belly landing on a farm land near RAF Manston, Kent.

Hptm Heinz WAGNER Pilot
Fw Adolf SCHMIDT Gunner
Crew of Bf110C ‘M8 + BM’ of 4./ZG 76. Shot down during aerial combat crashing at Enfield Sewage Farm, Wharf Rd., Ponders End.

Ofw Karl-Heinz RAUSCHERT F/Eng
Flg Rudolf ZINNÖGGER Gunner
Crew of He111H-2 ‘V4 + DW’ of 6./KG 1. Shot down crashing at Roy Hill, Hadlow Down, Sussex.

Ofw Waldemar HORNIG Pilot
Fw Günther STAHLBERG Observer
Gefr Dr Karl HEIMEL Radio Operator
Crew of He111H-2 ‘V4 + BV’ of 5./KG 1. Rammed by a Hurricane of 79 Squadron when attacking Farnborough, eventually crashing at Swires Farm, Capel, Surrey.

Hptm Adolf SCHULDT Pilot
Uffz Karl DYROFF Radio Operator
Crew of Bf110D-0 ‘A2 + HK’ of 5./ZG 1. Shot down during aerial combat crashing at Rockfords Nursery, Durants Rd., Ponders End.

Uffz Otto FISCHER Gunner
Fw Ernst Erhard von KUENHEIM Radio Operator
Uffz Adolf SAAM F/Eng
Crew of He111H-2 ‘A1 + JL’ of 3./KG 53 Crashed at Lifstan Way, Southend on Sea, Essex after being damaged during aerial combat

Gefr Leo STILP Gunner
Gefr Fritz RIESS Gunner
Crew of He111H-2 ‘A1 + CR’ of 7./KG 53. Shot down by Hurricanes if 301 Squadron crashing at Hunsdon, Herfordshire.

Oblt Paul WÄCHTER Pilot
Gefr Günther MALBECK F/Eng
Crew of He111H-2 ‘V4 + GV’ of 5./KG 1. Shot down during aerial combat over Surrey crashing at Mannings Heath, Sussex.

Ofw Karl-Heinz Johann Moritz Georg HARBAUER Pilot Bf109E-4 ‘White 1 + -‘ of 4./JG 2. Crashed at Walderslade, Chatham, Kent.

Gefr Walter REIS Gunner aboard He111H-2 ‘V4 + HV’ Killed during attack by a Hurricane of 253 Squadron. Force landed at Haxted Farm, Lingfield, Surrey

Ofw Thomas DIETRICH He111H-2 of 5./KG 53 damaged by fighter of 56 Squadron and hit trees while belly-landing at Peebles Farm, Colne Engaine, near Halstead

Chris

**Andy Marden** · 5th February 2022, 15:03

Alex,

HARRIS, Francis Beach - F/Lt - 39231 - RAF.
Lossiemouth Burial Ground, Moray.
Magister I - T9754 - 22 OTU.
>> 22 OTU was not formed until 1941. The unit should read 20 OTU (AIR81/2890 is incorrect)

Andy

**Alex Smart** · 5th February 2022, 20:08

Thanks Andy,

**Alex Smart** · 5th February 2022, 20:13

Thanks Andy,
But see this forum's database -

National Archives AIR81 Description Search

AIR81/2890 - Flight Lieutenant F B Harris, Corporal D Johnson: injured; aircraft accident, Lossiemouth, Magister T9754, 22 Operational Training School, 30 August 1940. at C16472228.

Seems that they got so many wrong,yet at that time details would have been fresh to those involved/effected by any fatal crash don't you think ?
Alex

**Andy Marden** · 6th February 2022, 12:50

Alex,
Yes, of course, but it could easily be a typo.
The unit couldn't have been 22 OTU, which didn't exist at that time. The word "School" also seems to be an error.
Andy

**Ross_McNeill** · 6th February 2022, 13:27

Form 1180 confirms unit as No.20 OTU

Normally the detail in the F1180 is what is used in the Casualty File and so error in the F1180 is carried forward.

There is a growing pile of evidence that in creating the document title for the TNA Discovery transcription errors have crept in at TNA level.

Ross

**jonheyworth** · 14th March 2022, 15:47

William Wright 819068 , was killed in an Air raid at RAF Biggin Hill at 18:00 Hours

**paulmcmillan** · 22nd August 2023, 12:47

MARY CREMIN
Regiment & Unit/Ship
Civilian War Dead

N.A.A.F.I.

Date of Death
Died 30 August 1940

Age 24 years old

Buried or commemorated at
ORPINGTON, URBAN DISTRICT

Civilian War Dead

Commonwealth War Graves Commission - Headstone Placeholder
Country of Service
United Kingdom
Additional Info
Daughter of Patrick and Angela Cremin, of 11 MacCurtain Street, Cork, Irish Republic.

Full name

Mary Josephine 'Trixi' Cremin

https://www.facebook.com/19395826329...9288437289731/