431128 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 28-11-1943

[Alex Smart]

Hello,

431128 - Unaccounted Airwoman & Airmen - 28-11-1943

From Henk's list -

UK
WAAF
ROSSER, Nancy - LACW - 2076423 - WAAF - Llansamlet (St. Samlet),

EGYPT
FREEMAN, William John - (N. Ireland) - Sgt (WoP/A/G) - 1145117 - RAFVR - Heliopolis, Egypt.

SOUTH AFRICA
DAVIS, Dennis Walter - AC1 - 1402576 - RAFVR - 26 Sqn (SAAF ?) - Pietermaritzburg (Fort Napier), Kwazulu Natal, South Africa.

UK
EMMERSON, Peter - P/O - 157736 - RAFVR - Glasgow Crematorium, Glasgow.
MEEHAN, Albert - F/S - 518447 - RAF - Scarborough (Manor Road), Yorkshire.
MORAN, Reginald John - AC2c - 1819299 - RAFVR - Oadby, Leicestershire.
NEEDHAM, Arthur Norton - Cpl - 1124327 - RAFVR - Nottingham Crematorium, Nottinghamshire.
SMITH, F W - Sgt (F/Eng) - 575839 - RAF - Blackwell (St. Werburgh), Derbyshire.
STOUT, Cyril A lbert - Sgt (WoP/A/G) - 1321728 - RAFVR - Chingford Mount, Essex.

From CWGC & Geoff's lists -

CANADA
SWANSTON, Eric Hanway - Sgt - 572926 - RAF - Ottawa Memorial, Ontario, Canada. [ Mitchell II - FV990 - RAF Ferry Command ].

EGYPT
BOWEN, John Evan - Sgt - 1322928 - RAFVR - Alexandria (Chatby), Egypt.
KERRIGAN, Thomas - Sgt - 655476 - RAF - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
SAGE, Frederick Alfred Gordon - Sgt - 1349977 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.
WHITEHEAD, Raymond Thomas - F/O - 141289 - RAFVR - Alamein Memorial, Egypt.

INDIA
GOODWORTH, Stanley Harry - Sgt - 995986 - RAFVR - Calcutta (Bhowanipore), Kolkata, India.

UK
ALLISON, Wiliam Ezekiel - Sqn/Ldr (Pilot) - D.F.C - 115784 - RAFVR - Greatham Church, Durham. [ Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU ].
BENNETT, Geoffrey Albert - Sgt - 1323266 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. .[Wellington Ic - DV664 - 7 (C) OTU ].
BISS, Stanley - AC1c - 1314287 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. .[Wellington Ic - DV664 - 7 (C) OTU ].
BUFFHAM, Roy - Sgt (WoP/A/G) - 1581096 - RAFVR - Nottingham Northern, Nottinghamshire.[ Wellington X - HE904 - 16 OTU ].
COLE, Edward - Sgt (WoP/A/G) - 957041 - RAFVR - Caistor, Lincolnshire. [ Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU ].
DHERING, Robert Joseph William - Sgt (A/G) - 1601679 - RAFVR - Sunbury New, Middlesex. [ Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU ].
KEARNEY, Vincent - W/O (Nav/Bomber) - D. F. M - 1116344 - RAFVR - Wardley (St. Mary's ), Lancashire. [ Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU ].
KNIGHT, John Burton - F/O - 132409 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey. .[Wellington Ic - DV664 - 7 (C) OTU ].
ROSE, William - Sgt (Air Bomber) - 1554345 - RAFVR - New Kilpatrick (Or Hillfoot), Dunbartonshire. [ Wellington X - HE904 - 16 OTU ].
SIDDOWAY, William - Sgt (Air Bomber ) - 1558641 - RAFVR - Newcastle-Upon-Tyne (West Road), Northumberland.[ Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU ].
SLATER, Francis Victor Matthew - F/S (Nav) - 1579284 - RAFVR - Pinxton (St. Helen), Derbyshire. [ Wellington X - HE904 - 16 OTU ].
WAITE, Phil - F/O - 133073 - RAFVR - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.[Wellington Ic - DV664 - 7 (C) OTU ].

USA
CLARKE, William - Sgt - 528588 - RAF - Portsmouth Naval Shipyard Cemetery, New Hampshire, USA.
MYERS, Richard Herrick - LAC - 1809379 - RAFVR - Bedford Village (St. Matthews), New York, USA. [ Harvard IIb - FE765 - 1 SFTS ].

Alex

[malcolm_raf]

Hi

EGYPT
FREEMAN, William John - (N. Ireland) - Sgt (WoP/A/G) - see below.

CANADA
SWANSTON, Eric Hanway - Sgt - the Mitchell of probably killed whilst flying in Hudson VI, FK693 of No 45 Grp, which failed to arrive at Reykjavik on a ferry flight from Gander.


EGYPT
BOWEN, John Evan - Sgt - serving at RAF Aqir.
KERRIGAN, Thomas - Sgt - serving at RAF Aqir..
SAGE, Frederick Alfred Gordon - Sgt - serving at RAF Aqir..
WHITEHEAD, Raymond Thomas - F/O - serving at RAF Aqir.
also FREEMAN, William John - Sgt

INDIA
GOODWORTH, Stanley Harry - Sgt - serving with 221 Group.

UK
ROSSER, Nancy - LACW - serving at Rednal, registered in Wenlock (RAF Hospital, Cosford?).
EMMERSON, Peter - P/O - died from injuries sustained on 25 Nov 1943 - crashed near Wymeswold following an engine fire on approach.
MEEHAN, Albert - F/S - registered in Scarborough.
MORAN, Reginald John - AC2 - not Eng/Wales.
NEEDHAM, Arthur Norton - Cpl - registered in Market Harborough.
SMITH, F W - Sgt (F/Eng) - not Eng/Wales.
STOUT, Cyril A lbert - Sgt (WoP/A/G) - Wellington Ic - DV664 - 7 (C) OTU.
ALLISON, Wiliam Ezekiel - Sqn/Ldr (Pilot) - D.F.C - confirmed in Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU.
BENNETT, Geoffrey Albert - Sgt - confirmed in Wellington Ic - DV664 - 7 (C) OTU.
BISS, Stanley - AC1 - serving with 24 ASR MCU.
BUFFHAM, Roy - Sgt (WoP/A/G) - confirmed in Wellington X - HE904 - 16 OTU.
COLE, Edward - Sgt (WoP/A/G) - confirmed in Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU.
DHERING, Robert Joseph William - Sgt (A/G) - confirmed in Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU.
KEARNEY, Vincent - W/O (Nav/Bomber) - D. F. M - confirmed in Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU.
KNIGHT, John Burton - F/O - confirmed in Wellington Ic - DV664 - 7 (C) OTU.
ROSE, William - Sgt (Air Bomber) - confirmed in Wellington X - HE904 - 16 OTU.
SIDDOWAY, William - Sgt (Air Bomber ) - confirmed in Wellington III - X3923 - 16 OTU.
SLATER, Francis Victor Matthew - F/S (Nav) - confirmed in Wellington X - HE904 - 16 OTU.
WAITE, Phil - F/O - confirmed in Wellington Ic - DV664 - 7 (C) OTU.

USA
MYERS, Richard Herrick - LAC - confirmed in Harvard IIb - FE765 - 1 SFTS.

Malcolm

[Bill Walker]

A bit more info on Harvard FE765 (Meyers):

With No. 1 Service Flying Training School at Camp Borden, Ontario when it crashed at 10:00 on 28 November 1943, near Edenvale, Ontario (3 miles north of the Borden aerodrome). Lost control during unauthorized low level aerobatics, and struck the ground in a near vertical bank. Instructor F/O J.A. Gore, RAAF killed instantly, student LAC R.H. Meyers (an American) died several hours after the accident. Local farmer L. Atkinson was recommended for the George Medal for pulling Meyers from the burning wreckage.

Can't remember my source for the spelling of "Meyers" and welcome any correction needed.

[dennis_burke]

Threads are getting huge!

The index is up to date for today:
http://www.skynet.ie/~dan/war/henksthreads.html

And the Flight Service Aviation pages are up 1945 also,
http://www.skynet.ie/~dan/war/flightsa/
Might be some problems with some of the PDF's but I am trying to load fresh ones.

[COL BRUGGY]

Hello Bill,

Whilst it does no harm to mention them again, the facts on this incident are fairly well known.

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...rio-28-11-1943

Col

[dennis_burke]

S H Goodworth, N. Rosser, A Meehan, R J Moran, A N Needham, Sgt F W Smith, S Biss
All the above are Died on Active service airmen.. AC1 Biss I would be doubtful if he should be associated with the aircraft loss? Where might 24 ASR/MCU be located? And old thread on the forum from Ross said:
No.24 Lowestoft/Gorleston AIR29/443 Now there is no date period there.

I have the 7 OTU ORB and it does not include Biss as being on the aircraft.
Crew listed as F/O Waite, Sgt Bennett, F/O Knight., F/S Marshall, F/S Woods, Sgt Stout.

Woods and Marshall were both RAAF

RAF Aqir was in what is now Israel, 76 OTU was based there at the time.

[dennis_burke]

Reginald J Moran is registered in the Wenlock district, surname spelled with two Rs in the index. Search by first names only when names don't show up.

[COL BRUGGY]

hello,

Re: BENNETT, KNIGHT, STOUT & WAITE.

28-11-1943
No.7(C) OTU
Wellington IC DV664

Took off on a non-operational daytime bombing practice, and crashed at 1220, 100 yards NE of the Strand, Portballintrae, County Antrim, Northern Ireland. All the crew lost their lives.

An eye-witness reported that the aircraft bombed the target on a low-level bombing drop, and then turned to starboard at a height of approximately 200 feet. On completing the turn the aircraft dived directly into the sea after it had had straightened up. The accident occurred during daylight with strong winds and heavy seas. Had the accident been due to stalling in the turn, it was thought the aircraft would have gone in on one wing first. There was insufficient evidence as to the cause of the crash, but it was considered probable that the pilot stalled the aircraft.

133073 F/O (1st Pilot) Phil WAITE RAFVR +
1323266 Sgt (2nd Pilot) Geoffrey Albert BENNETT RAFVR +
132409 F/O (Nav.) John Burton KNIGHT RAFVR +
AUS414859 F/Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Leslie WOODS RAAF +
AUS409167 F/Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) James Wilfred MARSHALL RAAF +
1321728 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Cyril Albert STOUT RAFVR +

The bodies of Woods RAAF and Stout were washed ashore.

Woods RAAF, is buried in Drumachose (Christ Church) Church of Ireland Churchyard, Limavady, NI., and Stout in Chingford Mount Cemetery, Essex, UK. The others are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

Per: Alan Storr (mostly).

Col.

[dennis_burke]

For Smith, looking at his parents, Thomas and Ethel and the births in 1921-1923 in berbyshire where he is buried. There was one Francis W Smith born in Mansfield district which includes Blackwell where he is buried. Mother maiden name Pope. A Thomas Smith married an Ethel Pope in 1912 in Mansfield district,

There is a death of a Francis Smith aged 21, no middle initial, in the Bridgend District in the last quarter of 1943.
He is listed on the same page I beleive as Kathleen J Baxter WAAF who dide on Nov 20, 1943. I woudl doubt it related since he does have a Trade of F/Eng on hsi CWGC entry. Everyone else opn that page is older, lets say elderly.

So, despite the F/Eng trade, he does appear to be listed as a Died on Active Service. Casualty Com 349, Feb 1944

[COL BRUGGY]

Hello,

575839 Sgt F W SMITH was an "Old Haltonian". The following site states, that Smith, a member of No.25 EFTS, Hucknall, died of natural causes.

http://www.oldhaltonians.co.uk

Click on "Tribute". then "Roll of Honour" - look under "S".

Col.