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    Default Aircraft losses in SEAC : Latest UPDATE : Beaufighters

    I have updated the Bristol Blenheim losses in SEAC.

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...&qacid=6&qt=TY

    These cover Blenheim losses of aircraft whose flights originated in India, Ceylon and Burma. The total entries are around 240.. and assuming some are damaged, recovered later and not full write offs - thats still probably around 200 airframe losses .

    The losses does not include the early operations in Malaya, Singapore or Sumatra.


    A considerable effort took place to get the actual data from ORBs and other sources. A major source is the the Blenhiem bible The Bristol Blenheim: A Complete History by Graham Warner .

    In the end - Warner's book still accounts for about 70 odd out of the 240 that i have listed here. And to fill in the crew members names and numbers as per the CWGC Site.

    There is still some work left in checking Air Britain listings of the aircraft losses in the far east. Feel free to suggest corrections, changes additions.

    The total entries in the DB Are just shy of 2900 now.
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    Lysander losses in SEAC

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...&qacid=7&qt=TY

    In 1941, exactly 100 Lysanders were shipped to India . The link above shows 62 incidents which may account to some 50 odd losses.

    This does not include the 1945 induction of Lysander IIIs for Special Duties Ops with 357 Squadron's C Flight - this bit is still under construction.

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    Brewster Buffalo losses in Burma and India approx. 27

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...acid=448&qt=TY

    Tip of the hat to
    Chris Shore, Brian Cull, Y Izawa and their Bloody Shambles Book series
    Dan Ford's Warbird Forum Website at https://warbirdforum.com/ and the discussion board it hosts - which can be found at https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warbirdsforum/
    The contributors at that board - Dan Ford, Neil Frances (Author of "Ketchil"), Mark Hasselien and Jim Maas who have enriched my knowledge on the Buffalo for many years.

    PS: Thread title updated to keep track of all other "Minor" Updates about SEAC
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    Default Re: Aircraft losses in SEAC : Blenheim, Lysander, Buffalo

    After nearly two years - the next tranche of Updates:

    Bristol Beaufighter Losses : About 350+ of them.... as always it remains WIP...

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...t=TY&crdb=SEAC

    1942 : 1 1943 : 59 1944 : 161 1945 : 133 1946 : 3 1947 : 6

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    Default Re: Aircraft losses in SEAC : Blenheim, Lysander, Buffalo

    Jagan,

    Re: 01 Nov 44 - Beaufighter - TF.X -NE748 - 22 Sqn - Vavuniya.
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=NE748

    See: https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C1252699 - Download, go to p.305 of 347 PDF.*

    Or if you prefer: https://aviationmuseumwa.org.au/afcr...attison-411924

    See also: 9 Aug 45 - Beaufighter X - NE662.
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=NE662

    * Corrections/Additions to above:
    1/. Spitfire involved in accident - Spitfire LF.VIII JF815.
    2/. McCOUAT RAAF - correct service number 411924, not 411921.
    3/. BOYD-GERNEY RAAF - correct surname BOYD-GERNY RAAF
    4/. STREVER was 108521 Major, DFC, SAAF.

    Col.
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    Default Re: Aircraft losses in SEAC : Blenheim, Lysander, Buffalo

    15 Sept 1943 Waddell JL712
    20 May 1943 Wambeek X8022
    7 May 1943 EL497 F1180 has lots of ? beside entries including pilot F/O A R Dunlop RCAF J/9394
    23 April 1943 EL268 Sgt J M Copeland RCAF R/102793
    9 Mar 1943 EL442 Sgt R T Gibbs 1335261 killed as well as 1 other

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    Default Re: Aircraft losses in SEAC : Blenheim, Lysander, Buffalo

    Thanks for the updates.

    Ross,

    That entry about GIBBS helped identify two more airmen that were previously "Unaccounted " for - thats two down! Only one other unaccounted in India and his trade was Observer STUCKEY
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=EL442
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    Default Re: Aircraft losses in SEAC : Blenheim, Lysander, Buffalo

    While I had the reel loaded.

    8 Nov43 EL533 F/Sgt E T Woolsey RCAF 10128A(sic)

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    Default Re: Ernest Walter Mervyn TRIGWELL.

    Jagan,

    Re: Ernest Walter Mervyn TRIGWELL. He is, in fact: AUS415198 F/O (Pilot) Ernest Walter Mervyn 'Triggy' TRIGWELL RAAF, POW 16/11/1944 (+ 09/02/1996 [aged 80], Donnybrook, W.A.).

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/....php?qnum=7936

    Trigwell was wounded on 25 October, 1943, when his Beaufighter VIC (EL514 'V'), was struck by an explosive shell over Akyab, which passed through the nose of his aircraft, damaging his instrument panel. pieces of which entered his chest, and a screw lodged above his right eye, causing temporary blindness. 'Triggy', along with his navigator, 1277995 P/O George Albert 'Dobbie' DOBSON RAFVR qv., managed to get back to Cox's Bazaar and made a creditable landing (F/O DOBSON was shot down and killed, along with his pilot, J/20114 F/O Gordon Foster TRUDGEON RCAF qv., on 15 March, 1944).

    See:
    Beaufighters Over Burma No.27 Squadron, RAF 1942-45.
    Innes,David J.
    Poole:Blandford Press,1985.
    pp.71-2.

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    Default Re: Ernest Walter Mervyn TRIGWELL.

    SEAC Air Losses
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/losses/
    Commendable initiative and much useful work done and still to be done. Perhaps I can offer a small contribution here...

    211 Squadron 1942-1946
    For what its worth as a reference and crosscheck, 211 Squadron aircraft allocations and losses for which I have firm traces (from original sources and some published materials as noted) are shown on my site as follows:

    Blenheim IV
    Jan 42
    Re-formed Egypt, transit to Netherlands East Indies
    Blenheim IV allocations and loss sources as noted
    http://www.211squadron.org/bristol_b...ml#HelwanJan42

    Feb to Mar 1942
    Sumatra and Java ops
    Allocations and loss sources as noted
    http://www.211squadron.org/bristol_b...ml#SumatraJava

    Beaufighter X
    Re-formed Aug 1943, LR strike unit
    Blenheim V (Bisley)
    Non-op allocations and losses
    http://www.211squadron.org/bristol_b...iv.html#Bisley

    Beaufighter X
    Oct 1943 to May 1945
    Allocations from original sources and published records, losses principally from original sources
    http://www.211squadron.org/bristol_b...11Beaufighters

    Mosquito FBVI
    Re-equipped Jun 1945 to Mar 1946 (disbanded)
    Allocations from original sources and published records, losses principally from original sources
    http://www.211squadron.org/de_havill...quadronservice

    Operations Record Book
    The state of the extant Sqn records 1942 to 1946 is detailed here:
    http://www.211squadron.org/squadron_...tml#211ORB3746
    Further, for the lost Squadron Operations Record Book for 1942 I have compiled a re-construction, from 211 Sqn Log Books and personal accounts, here:
    http://www.211squadron.org/1942.html


    Addnl notes:
    The scope for the losses db collection under the current SEAC Air Losses title might benefit from some discussion or amplification as there's intricate detail in the successive RAF Command structures & titles of the WW2 period, especially in India, Asia and Pacific. See also eg the addnl titling of the sub-forum http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/for...-amp-Far-East&

    Chronologically, the bodies and dates, described selectively in eg Delve/Source Book of the RAF of 1994, are much more completely listed by Malcolm Barrass in his www.rafweb.org at
    Overseas Commands - Iraq, India and the Far East
    here: https://www.rafweb.org/Organsation/Cmd_O3.htm

    For aircraft losses the current losses db, under the current SEAC ref, remains very sparse for 1941, 1942
    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...acid=448&qt=TY

    For 1939 to March 1942, losses are for RAF units under Air Forces in India (AHQ India) (and latterly, briefly, ABDA).
    AHQ India absorbed into Air Command South East Asia (ACSEA) Nov 1943, under overall SEAC command.

    May I add, the column label "Tail No" is rather loose, more properly AM Serial and applied variously, not just the tail - whatever that means.

    Footnote
    For some reason, though made by choice as "Reply to Thread", this post displays with a Re: title - as if it had been made as "Reply (to preceding post)". Not my intent.
    Some sort of glitch, perhaps.

    Appreciate the Thank you, Jagan. Now, time for me to step back again...
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    Toujours propos

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