CWGC Non Recorded Airmen and Airwomen 1939 to 1947

[paulmcmillan]

All


The ATC Casualties has reminded me that CWGC will NOT record some deaths in WW2 timescale as the period as they are not recognised as Service War Deaths - I think they should be recorded somewhere and Jagan has agreed and maybe we will add them to the DB with a indicator if members think they should be included


So I think we should record them under this thread

I will start with

04/09/1939 Spitfire Prototype K5054 at RAE Farnborough. Pilot died 5th Sept 1939

Pilot was Flight Lieutenant Gilbert 'Spinner' Standridge White who has died on active service but is not on CWGC

The Spitfire Story" by Price
""But 'Spinner' White had suffered serious neck injuries and he died in hospital four days later (sic)."

Ancestry. says died on 5th Sept (day later) and the Probate Calendar agrees. so the "four days" later is wrong in book and he died of broken neck

Birth: 14/01/1899 (14 Jan 1899) London
Death: 05/09/1939 (5 Sep 1939) Aldershot Hampshire England

Deaths

Name: Gilbert Stanbridge White
Death Date: 5 Sep 1939
Death Place: Surrey, England
Probate Date: 21 Dec 1939
Probate Registry: London, England

See
http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...4-pilot-killed

CWGC neglected to add him when I questioned this as they said according to RAF he was not in Service even though on Casualty List :-(

The Times Casualty list reveals his service number as 19098 in Casualty Communique #4 from Air Ministry


#19098 Flight Lieutenant G.S. White


See

https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/75481


I think we may need to Xref with Test Pilot Deaths and also maybe Ferry Command Civilian deaths

Thanks Paul

[wwrsimon]

Paul

Did you see the article in the Surrey Advertiser from September 16th 1939?

FUNERAL OF AIR CRASH VICTIM
Semi-military honours were accorded at Woking on Saturday, when the cremation took place of Flt.-Lt. Gilbert Stanbridge White, of Gilmais, Leatherhead-road, Great Bookham, who died in hospital on Tuesday of last week following an air crash, when he was testing a machine. A resident of Great Bookham for 12 years, he was proprietor of the Gilmais swimming pool and tennis courts, and very well known in the district. He was 40, and leaves a widow but no family.

Not sure what 'semi-military honours' involves?

[paulmcmillan]

I can't remember the details now and I can't find them in my mail - But I think he was RAFO or something - The RAF basically said 'No Not one of ours' and the CWGC said no - I could not believe it - I even showed them he was testing an RAF plane, had RAF Service Number, was in RAFO etc was after 3rd Sept "Semi Military' and on Air Ministry Casualty list how much more official can you get

[Jagan]

17.7.47: Cadet Raymond Alan Glass (19), gliding accident at 203 GS, Downhill the previous day

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...294#post154294


Civilian Raymond VOSS () of the Civilian Technical Corps
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?qnum=52676 (Added to our RAF CWGC DB - but is not in CWGC yet)

Circumstances of Death: (Not Recorded on CWGC ) On 2 June 1943 a welder was needed to work underneath the ramp of a landing craft in order to complete tasks considered extremely urgent due to the fact that the landing craft had to be ready in time for the convoy sailing from the Clyde to take part in the invasion of Sicily on 10 July 1943. Owing to a mechanical failure, the cause of which was never established, the ramp was suddenly released and struck Mr Voss, killing him instantly. He was awarded a posthumous commendation for gallantry by Sir Archibald Sinclair, the Secretary of State for Air.

Death of Death 1943-06-02

[jonheyworth]

Many may already be recorded as civilian deaths. I have submitted cadet glass to the CWGC via the IFTC projects among others including a few Rhodesian Air Askari

[Jagan]

Mosquito NS829 lost 1947-05-13
http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...php?uniq=NS829

Sqn/Ldr SIMMONS, Peter Henry Anker - 39691 - DFC+Bar ex 107 Sqn
Mr. F.CLIFFORD,Radio Op of British Aviation Services both being killed.

Mosquito NS829 - The a/c was an ex 487 Sqn that was sold to Turkey. In Fairey Aircraft Ltd at Ringway, Manchester was on test for the Turkish Government. Killing both crew. According to one eye-witness, there was a flash, followed by a pall of black smoke. Fire engines were unable to get near"13.5.1947

Probably being counted as Civilian deaths? And as an aircraft already sold to Turkey - might be out of scope?

[Jagan]

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...882#post155882

William Nathaniel Powell. Born 3/6/1926. Parents were George & Alice Powell of Linwood Road, Higher Tranmere, Birkenhead.

A number of cadets from 1175 (Birkenhead) ATC Squadron arrived at RNAS Inskip on 11.8.45 for a week’s training. On Friday 17.8.44 Powell accompanied Sub/Lt (A) Francis H Davies RNVR of 816 Squadron on a local training flight. The aircraft was Firefly FR.1 MB688 /’G’ . The Firefly was one of a formation of four flying at 2,500 feet when it suddenly dropped out of formation and dived into a potato field at Brow Farm, Holmeswood, near Tarleton, Lancashire. The aircraft was buried deeply in the ground and both occupants were killed.

Sub Lt F H Davies is on CWGC https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/fi...ENRY%20DAVIES/

[paulmcmillan]

Mr. F.CLIFFORD,Radio Op of British Aviation Services both being killed.

Frank Clifford aged 23 buried Greenwich

[paulmcmillan]

Can I add

This this on the Test Pilot Memorial Page as

04/12/1940, Mr (ex Flight Lieutenant) John William (Jack) HATHORN, Gloster TP, Hawker Hurricane Mk I N2497

Infact his full and correct name is John William Hathorn

Gloucestershire Echo - Thursday 12 December 1940 Page 1

INQUEST TRIBUTE Verdict On Cheltenham Man " By his death the country has sustained a loss at a time when such men can ill be spared," commented the Gloucester City Coroner (Mr. E. H. Clifford), at the inquest held on Wednesday on John William Hathorn, aged 28, of The Cabin, Leckhampton Hall, Shurdington-road, Cheltenham. A verdict of "Accidental death ' was recorded, the Coroner expressing sympathy with the relatives.



Also

26006 Arthur Pakenham Fitzhardinge Murray 'Boy' BERKELEY S/Ldr
Squadron Leader Arthur Pakenham Fitzhardinge Murray BERKELEY ( 26006) is placed on the retired list on account
of ill-health. 18th Jan. 1940.

Birth 10 Aug 1907
Death 4 Aug 1941

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...urray-BERKELEY


Killed in a flying accident at Kings Field near Park Lane, Woodchester in Gloucestershire on 4-Aug-1941.
National Probate Calendar confirms DoD 4-Aug-1941.
Was a Hurricane Collision but serial number and info on other pilot remains unknown at present

His Log Book was on sale at Christies - Link no longer works but

"Gloster Aircraft at Brockworth 16-8-40 as production test pilot. Log book ends 31-7-41 with 2220hrs flown approx'
on possibly 50 types"

So he was a test pilot at Brockworth other pilot maybe "Marshall"


The book 'Wings over Glos' states he was in the crash of an unidentified Hurricane of Gloster A/c Co at Park Lane Woodchester on 5th August (sic),
''following a collision with another a/c' involving 'Test Pilot Marshal'
with no indication of whether he was a casualty or not.

[davew]

Paul

I came across an account of the incident of 4 August 1941 in a local magazine 'Woodchester Word'. I have little to add to what you have written except to say that I investigated the mystery pilot 'Marshall' and believe him to have been Philip Edward Gordon Marshall, b 19th August 1912 at Honiton. In 1932 he was an aircraft apprentice and had gained his flying certificate at Airwork. On the 1939 List he is living at Hounslow and his occupation given as 'Test Piloting and Sales Dept., de Havilland He died at Little Sodbury, Glos 10/2/1985. His funeral notice and the 1939 List name him as 'Gordon-Marshall'

regards

DaveW