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    Default Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    Dear all,

    At 29 April 1945 a Mitchell bomber crash was witnessed independently by 661 AOP Squadron and ground units of 49 West Riding Division. It crash(landed) into liberated area North of Renkum, The Netherlands, and 5-6 occupants were rescued.
    One should think it might be easy to track the identity of the Mitchell and its occupants, but I'm a bit puzzled not to find any clue.
    * Second Tactical Air Force doesn't list any medium bomber sorties or losses (AIR37/718)
    * 2 Group ORB mentions no operations because of the weather. Only movement of 139 Wing from Melsbroek to Achmer, however air lift party at 30 April (AIR25/22)
    * 137 Wing and 139 Wing ORB's don't list operations and/or losses (AIR26/198 and AIR26/200)
    * all Mitchell operating Squadrons don't mention losses (98, 180, 226, 320, 342 Squadron ORB's)

    That leads me to think it may have been a Mitchell (if identified correctly as such) from a second line RAF unit. Any thoughts about this and can anyone point me in the right direction for further research?

    Thanks in advance,
    Hans

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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    Any chance it is a USAAF B-25?
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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    Hans, quick glance into MACRs list - there is no B-25 loss recorded on 29.4.45.
    So it seems to me it may be another twin engine type other than B-25?

    P.S. May be this loss as a part of Manna operation?

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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    Hi David and Pavel,

    It also crossed my mind that it could be an USAAF aircraft, however according the 9th Air Force Narratives no aircraft were lost...Apart from that, it was 2nd TAF and FC area of operations.

    Somehow I get the impression that it was a non-operational flight, perhaps also a second line unit. Otherwise it would have been easily traced with nowadays sources. Although being identified as a Mitchell from two different sources I've no idea what else should have resembled like that, closest being an Albemarle...

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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    Hans, Operation Manna has been carried out by squadrons of No. 1, 3 and 8 Groups so maybe one of them suffered this loss? I am not sure how detailed those oeprations has been recorded but I suppose they would record an aircraft loss. But on the other hand I believe most of them used four-engine aircraft at the time...

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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    Hello,

    Joe Baugher records B-25C Mitchell 41-12675 as condemned April 29, 1945 - No further details

    http://cgibin.rcn.com/jeremy.k/cgi-b...=&content=B-25

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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    That is great Colin!
    Unfortunately I was unable to Google out any other details about B-25C Mitchell 41-12675 but as there is not MACR for it it seems to me it may be non-operational flight as Hans suggested. Sure if the loss B-25C Mitchell 41-12675 has been recorded in ETO.

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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    Hello

    When there's no MACR, there might be an accident report for non operational losses. You can purchase a copy via AAIB website, or maybe check with the [U.S.] Air Force Historical Research Agency.

    Joss

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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    USAAF B-25's were mostly, or even only, used in the MTO in Europe, although there were some as 'hacks' with USAAF Groups in England. To send such one over enemy territory doubtful.
    SGLO has that Mitchell was hit by Flak over Veenendaal, less than 20 kms west of indicated crash site. It would be interesting to see where that info came from....

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    Default Re: Mystery Mitchell crash 29 April 1945

    Is this the crash mentioned in the 661 Sqn ORB Form 541 for April 29th?

    Auster IV
    Capt Colmar
    Up: 10.30
    Down: 10.40
    Domestic - to inspect scene of aircraft crash at MR 630808. All info passed to 84 Group.


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