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    Default Civilian War Dead Air Crashes At Sea

    I am Researching Arthur George Gadd Age 39 who Died at Sea on the 26th August 1943. I know that most Aircraft Flying at the time carrying Uk Citizens were mainly RAF. Thank you for reading this.
    Stephanie

    Hello again,
    I am Researching those Civilian War Dead who Died In Air Crashes At Sea.
    I know that most Aircraft Flying at the time carrying Uk Citizens were mainly RAF or BAOC.
    I would like to Record which Sea/Ocean they Died in.
    Thank you for reading this.
    Kindest regards
    Stephanie

    1: GORDON D M 31/07/1940
    2: CAMERON GEOFFREY VALENTINE G V 23/05/1941 Son of Sir Donald Cameron, G.C.M.G., and Lady (Gertrude) Cameron.
    3: McLEAN W 20/09/1941
    4: ANDERSON ROBERT DESMOND R D 21/09/1941
    5: SMALL C H 27/09/1941
    6: DAVIDSON CHARLES JOHN C J 16/12/1941
    7: MEYERS HORACE GAYZAL H G 24/01/1942
    8: VINTCENT NEVILL N 29/01/1942
    8: BELL HAROLD EDWARD H E 15/02/1942
    9: PARKER THOMAS EDWARD T E 28/02/1942
    10: BEARD R E 14/09/1942
    11: RICHARDS ROBERT GEORGE R G 09/10/1942
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    Default Re: Civilian War Dead Air Crashes At Sea

    Hello Stephanie

    Welscome to the Forum.

    Not sure how much you know about him already, but the National Probate Calendar records that he died at Cumbraes, Buteshire, and the 'UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1628-1969' on ancestry.co.uk records that he was a Scientific Officer with the Admiralty.

    His address is given as Kandersteg, 19 Carlisle Road, Hampton, Middlesex, and as you state his death was due to drowning after the aircraft in which he was travelling crashed into the sea.

    I'm sure someone on here will know the exact circumstances of his death.

    Regards

    Simon

    EDIT - you may want to change your two thread titles, as people may think they're duplicates. Or combine the two posts?
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    Hi Stephanie

    'UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1628-1969' on ancestry.co.uk records that he was a Scientist, and his address was 2, St. Margaret's Court, Twickenham, Middlesex.

    As with Townend on your other post, his death was due to drowning after the aircraft in which he was travelling crashed into the sea.

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    Simon, Stephanie. The combination of your two posts puzzled me a little as Stephanie's refers to him dying at sea, whereas Simon's records he died at Cumbraes with the additional information that he died from drowning when his aircraft crashed into the sea.

    Cumbraes is not listed by Streetmap, instead there are two islands Great Cumbrae and Little Cumbrae, collectively known as the Cumbraes, although only the former appears inhabited.

    Apologies if I'm being pedantic (no comments please!) This suggests his aircraft crashed in the vicinity of the two islands and I thought his body might have been recovered to Milltown the only significant town/village on Great Cumbrae. However, although his name is recorded by the CWGC no burial location is given.

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    Brian

    I think 'Cumbraes' in the National Probate Calendar might possibly mean, as you mention, The Cumbraes and just mean the general area of the group of islands (which includes a few smaller islets), rather than a specific one.

    There are no entries for either Townend or Gadd on the Statutory Deaths Register on the Scotland's People website, suggesting neither body was recovered.

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    Default Re: Civilian War Dead Air Crashes At Sea

    Just a thought - this is Hubert Townend who invented the Townend Ring?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Townend_ring

    And inventor of the wonderful gyrocycle:

    http://cyberneticzoo.com/walking-mac...wnend-british/

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    Default Re: Civilian War Dead Air Crashes At Sea

    I wonder if he was the man of the 'Townend Ring'? (I see now that Simon had the same suggestion..)
    Website findagrave.com gives for both Townend and Gadd that it was an RN aircraft, but provides no other details.

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    Default Re: Civilian War Dead Air Crashes At Sea

    Sorry, to answer my own question:

    From the Thanet Advertiser, September 17th 1943:

    Scientist Killed
    Ramsgate Vicar Bereaved
    Dr. H. C. H. Townend, D.Sc., F.R.Ae.S., who was accidentally killed in an aircraft of the Fleet Air Arm, was a brother of the rev. P. M. Townend, vicar of Christ Church Ramsgate.
    In the last war Dr. Townend served as an observer in the R.A.F. and taking his degrees later, joined the National Physical Laboratory in aero-dynamics research work. Subsequently he became attached to the Admiralty Directorate of Scientific Research.
    A memorial service was held at sea at which the 5th Sea Lord, Amdl. Boyd, was represented by Lt.-Cmdr. Lord Gifford.


    The article includes a tribute to him by a Fleet Air Arm officer, which notes that he played an important part in the design of carrier flight decks, studying airflow over the deck, as well as being the inventor of the Townend Ring, and it concludes with:

    "With him in the aircraft was his assistant, Mr. A. G. Gadd, of the National Physical Laboratory at Teddington."

    EDIT - from F.A.A. Aircraft 1939-1945, Sturtivant:

    Albacore I X9253
    778 Sqn, Crail, tried to go round again, hit rounddown, stalled avoiding island, fell over stbd side Pretoria Castle, sank in 38 fathoms, Cat Z 26.8.43 (S/L CN Hutchinson OK; Dr. Townend & Mr Gadd of RAE killed).

    Regards

    Simon
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    Default Re: Civilian War Dead Air Crashes At Sea

    RN Air Casualties 26th August 1943

    Ignore Simon got the aircraft

    BTW we covered some of these before - Looks like Gadd and Townend were missed ?

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...-War-Dead-CWGC


    FAA, 785/786 Sqn, Jackdaw, air crash

    BRINSON, Ian A N, Ty/Act/Sub Lieutenant (A), RNVR, killed



    FAA, 816 Sqn, Tracker, air crash

    BOAKES, Roland, Ty/Act/Sub Lieutenant (A), RNVR, killed

    JENKINS, Graham N, Ty/Act/Leading Airman, FAA/FX 86772, MPK
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    Default Re: Civilian War Dead Air Crashes At Sea

    More details on the other thread, but:

    From F.A.A. Aircraft 1939-1945, Sturtivant:

    Albacore I X9253
    778 Sqn, Crail, tried to go round again, hit rounddown, stalled avoiding island, fell over stbd side Pretoria Castle, sank in 38 fathoms, Cat Z 26.8.43 (S/L Hutchinson OK; Dr. Townend & Mr Gadd of RAE killed).

    Regards

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