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    I was wondering if anybody could tell me what B.D.F No16 was/stood for.

    I have been researching M.C.Cleary DFM who was with 82 Squadron prior to,
    and during the early part of the war, and his log states he was with/at BDF No.16
    from 3/8/39 to 27/8/39. I assume it was some kind of course, but can not be sure.

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    Hi Johnnie,

    unfortunately I do not know your exat abbreviation but there are two similar:

    BDT Bomber Defence Training
    BDTF Bomber Defence Training Flight

    Hope this helps a little for the further research

    Pavel
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    That might fit in. I wonder if No16 might refer to the course number or even the unit/base.

    Johnnie

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    Johnnie,

    acoording to RAF training and support units there was only No 1 Bomber Defence Training Flight and since 6.45.

    So I guess in your case it was course No. 16

    Pavel
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    Bingo Johnnie,

    "Uncle Google" helps a lot:

    BDF = Bomb Disposal Flight

    Example:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar/stories/50/a7017950.shtml

    And in this case I will guess it was No. 16 BDF

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    And finally try this link for more info about BD - if this is the right way of your research:

    http://www.bombdisposalclub.org.uk/BD_history.htm

    Pavel
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    Johnnie,

    Given that Cleary DFM was NCO aircrew, that it is a flying log entry in the form BDF No 16 (ie not No 16 BDF), plus the early date, the duration 3 Aug 39 to 27 Aug 39, and the number itself, BDF No 16 is most likely a Blenheim Delivery Flight to the Middle East, most probably one of a no of Mark Is in company.

    For example after No 10 BDF in May 1939, was No 18 BDF from Thorney Is to Heliopolis in Jul-Aug 1939. See "Head in the Clouds", Goronwy (Gron or Dopey) Edwards DFC (on det from 223 Sqdn).

    And by coincidence WH Edwards DFC, 211 Squadron and no relation http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/wh_edwards_dfc.html was one of a number of 211 Squadron members to take part in BDF duties. While the flights even in peace time were not without possibility of drama, they were not only good experience but also offered aircrew something of a "jolly": the air ferry time varying but usually less than a week, with a bit of
    swanning in Egypt followed by a one or two week cruise home per packet boat or similar. Or vice versa, if lucky to be sent "Home" to do pickup and return to ME.

    From May 1939 in Egypt, local crews also undertook BDFs further afield on det from squadron duty, to Aden for example (AC R Wingrove, 211 Squadron, eg - see http://users.cyberone.com.au/clardo/r_wingrove.html)

    However, once hostilities began, the flights were not only dangerous but BDF crews might find themselves detained and ultimately posted at either end of their journey, as Bill Edwards and Pat Burnett found (on arriving in the UK to pick-up, Sep 1939); and as did PO LS Duke) Delaney and FO George Doudney (first det then posted to 211 Sqdn in the Desert, after BDF
    flights to ME Nov 1939). (Source: 211 Squadron ORB, etc).

    With thanks to Don Clark.

    Errol

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    Hi chaps,

    you are right Errol, Blenheim Delivery Flight fits better and I can add new abbreviation into my list.

    Thanks

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    Excellent. That makes perfect sense. His log has the following flights:

    7/8/39 Blenheim L6668 Pilot S/Ldr Rowland Waddington - Taunton - Waddington
    9/8/39 "" "" "" "" Waddington - Marignene
    10/8/39 "" "" "" "" Marignane - Hal Far
    12/8/39 "" "" "" "" Hal Far - Mersa Matruh
    12/8/39 "" "" "" "" Mersa Matruh - Heliopolis

    By the end of the month he seems to be back in England and on a cross country, so I
    guess he took the boat back.

    Johnnie

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    Default Re: BDF No. 16

    2021 Link update vs 2008
    Post #7: BDF duties & 211 Squadron

    WH Edwards DFC

    http://www.211squadron.org/wh_edwards_dfc.html

    RCW Wingrove
    http://www.211squadron.org/r_wingrove.html

    1939

    http://www.211squadron.org/1939.html

    1940

    http://www.211squadron.org/1940.html

    And [Ctrl f] BDF page search on each.
    Toujours propos

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