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    Default Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Hi all,

    I have a record from March 1944 telling that there were two additional persons aboard 311 Sq Liberator during the air to sea firing and they are listed as "Sgt Benneth, Cdt Robinson" and both are recorded in the column "Pilot" under the normal crew pilots. So it make me to believe both may be pilots or pilots u/t? But am I am aware I cannot be 100% sure with their trade.

    I think that it would be quite impossible to find any additional info like unit of the "Sgt Benneth" but "Cdt Robinson" draw my attention what the rank "Cdt" -hwat force he would be member of? RAF or FAA or USAAF or any other force?

    Any thoughts will be much appreciated

    TIA

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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Pavel,
    I suspect it is highly likely that your CDT was a Cadet in the Air Training Corps. Malcolm, in RAFWEB, is the expert - he will know who. On the other hand, if yr CDT became Regular RAF then I can help you delete most of the Robinsons in AIR 78 (and there are quite a lot of them!!).
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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Hi Peter, thanks fory our idea. I have somehow omitted this possibility, which seems to me quite probabale as I have found recently on https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk...raining-corps:

    An ATC Flight of 10 aircraft was set up in 1943, to give Cadets air experience flights. They also allowed cadets to go flying in RAF aircraft on normal Service flying activities.

    Anyway for me this is something new and I have never seen before that presence of an Air Training Corps cadet was recorded aboard Czech squadron aircraft. 311 Sq was based at Predannack at the time so were there any Air Training Corps units around in March 1943? I have found so far at least this:

    http://www.helstonhistory.co.uk/loca...r-cadets-1942/
    Memorable weekends at RAF Predannack where we “helped” re-arm and re-fuel the Spitfires and took some flights in the Avro Anson.

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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Pavel,
    Tks yrs. I think they may have done a bit more than "Air Experience" flights! I have read (can't remember where) that some of the ATC Cadets 'assisted' some of the ATA piloted a/c deliveries where some of the "knobs/switches" were difficult for, or out of reach of, the normal 1st Pilot. Good Game!!
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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Hi Pavel

    I can confirm your Cdt was most probably an ATC Cadet, it was very common for cadets to fly on both an official and unofficial basis.

    Apparently my uncle, who was in my old squadron during WW2, would get in from work and cycle out to Catfoss on the off chance of getting a flight.

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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Thank you Malcolm, it seem to me it fits with the reminiscence I have found as this flight was on Saturday morning.

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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Hi Pawel,

    Probably not relevant in this instance but Cdt is a Armee de l’Air rank. Commandant is equivalent to a Sqn Ldr.

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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Andy thank you for your comment. Yes I have been also thinking about the "Commandant" option but I have exclude it for two reasons: 1. the surname of the person does not sounds French to me:), 2. it was quite improbable that such high rank will join the crew for air to sea firing.

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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    I guess 'Robinson' could have been a 'Nom de Guerre' for a French Pilot.
    AFAIK the Free French did not normally use their proper surname whilst flying with the RAF.
    Although I do agree it is just as likely to be cadet.

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    Default Re: Unusual rank "Cdt" aboard RAF CC Liberator

    Thanks for your comment bvs, but I am afraid this will be "ice too thin":)

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