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    Default 26. 9. 1942 operation over Brest resulting loss of nearly whole 133 Sq

    Hi all, I am looking for help for friend of mine. According to the wiki - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Gaze:

    On 26 September 1942 Gaze led a wing of Spitfires in support of a bombing raid at Morlaix. An Eagle Squadron, No. 131 Squadron RAF [133 Sq in fact] , became scattered in high winds and lost 11 of 12 fighters. Gaze was made the scapegoat for the mission failure and was transferred back to No. 616 Squadron as a flight commander. It was later determined that the cause of the high losses on that mission were due to pilot inexperience and unexpected adverse weather.

    I would like to ask if anyone came across any investigation report about this case blaming GAZE Frederick Anthony Owen 60096 in the TNA?

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    Pavel
    Czechoslovak Airmen in the RAF 1940-1945
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    Default Re: 26. 9. 1942 operation over Brest resulting loss of nearly whole 133 Sq

    I have a niggling feeling that I looked at this incident from a met viewpoint for my own interest, but darned if I can find it. However, I did record a number of references including https://1942morlaixdisaster.wordpress.com/, which includes a 25 minute YouTube interview with Tony Gaze.

    Brian
    Last edited by Lyffe; 15th May 2021 at 09:51. Reason: Spelling

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    Default Re: 26. 9. 1942 operation over Brest resulting loss of nearly whole 133 Sq

    Further to my last I remember now that what prompted my interest were the memoirs of a German meteorologist who claimed the losses were due to the jetstream which was so strong that the Spitfires were, essentially, blown backwards. In the event this was not the case, although the strong winds certainly played a significant part in events. My list of references are as follows:

    The Mighty Eighth War Diary

    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...orlaix&f=false

    American Spitfire Aces WW2
    https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=...orlaix&f=false

    https://1942morlaixdisaster.wordpress.com/

    4th Fighter Group
    http://www.4thfightergroupassociatio...laix-show.html

    133 Squadron leader
    http://www.hatfield-herts.co.uk/aviation/brettel1.html


    Extract of Flohn memoirs from
    Meteorologie im Ubergang Erfahrungen und Erinnerungen (1931-1991) - Page 13 (Not online)

    Brettell
    http://www.easthorsleychurch.org.uk/...1384709214.pdf

    Hope all the links still work.

    Brian
    Last edited by Lyffe; 15th May 2021 at 14:02. Reason: Memory slowly coming back - original research done 8 years ago

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    Default Re: 26. 9. 1942 operation over Brest resulting loss of nearly whole 133 Sq

    Alex and Brian thank you for interesting links (some of them not working but never mind).

    But I am still after the archival document if there any survived about this case.
    Pavel
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    Default Re: 26. 9. 1942 operation over Brest resulting loss of nearly whole 133 Sq

    Hi Pavel,

    Something amiss with the wiki address.

    This works: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Gaze

    Robert
    Last edited by robstitt; 16th May 2021 at 14:25. Reason: Edit

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