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    Default Re: A Few More Missing POWs

    Hello,

    Re: QX6141 Lt Maurice Grant BOYDELL Aust. Army.

    Depending on how far you want to pursue this, you will find most of what there is to know of Boydell, and his incarceration, here:

    https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/P1740

    Be warned - download transcript diaries - takes a while.

    Col.

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    Col,
    Tks. I think that Simon's "RAAF/RAA" is a good enough reason as to why he should be 'included out'! But if you feel he had aviation connections then he can, of course, always be 'included in'!
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    Bingo! Simon well done same guy look for date of birth and location m


    Name: Josef Cliesy . Date of Birth: 09/07/1919 . Place of Birth: Leeds . Service:...

    Reference: WO 416/69/290
    Description:
    Name: Josef Cliesy.

    Date of Birth: 09/07/1919.

    Place of Birth: Leeds.

    Service: Royal Air Force.

    Rank: Sergeant.

    Regiment/Unit/Squadron: [unspecified].

    Service Number: [unspecified].

    Date of Capture: [unspecified].

    Theatre of Capture: [unspecified].

    Camp Name/Number: [unspecified].

    PoW number: 7973.


    Joseph Cleary . Date of Birth: 9/07/1919 . Place of Birth: Leeds . Service:...
    Reference: WO 416/69/23

    Name: Joseph Cleary.

    Date of Birth: 9/07/1919.

    Place of Birth: Leeds.

    Service: (Air Force)

    Rank: Flight Sergeant.

    Regiment/Unit/Squadron: [unspecified].

    Service Number: [unspecified].

    Date of Capture: 25 May 1944.

    Theatre of Capture: Dortmund.

    Camp Name/Number: Stalag Luft 2.

    PoW number: 653.

    Date of Death: [unspecified].

    Number of Photographs: 1.

    Number of Fingerprints: 1.

    Number of X-rays: 0.

    Number of Cards: 6.

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    Data Refreshed

    Record Total 14366

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    Hello

    The mysterious ??????Lindlay Stuart Breliuer, Royal Air Force has been a struggle to say the least, but maybe, just maybe:

    62016 Lindley Stuart Brebner SCOTT, D.F.C., b. May 25th 1916, Lambeth. Baptised June 25th 1916. WO416 has his D.o.B. as June 10th 1916, London.

    D.F.C. details:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...submit1=Search

    Loss details:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...839#post112839

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    Default Some Information – And Two Questions If You Can Answer Please

    Hello All,

    Information:
    Today it was reported on the BBC News Channel (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57384925) that a refugee vessel sank in The Channel/Manche on 27 Oct 2020. There was loss of life. Not all the bodies were recovered. One of the bodies (identity proved by DNA) washed ashore at Karmoy, Norway, on 1 Jan 2021. 66 Days (1584 hrs), 520 nm. Speed 0.3 kts.
    I give you this simply as an actual indication of what can happen. I do not know what the tidal/current conditions were in the same areas in WW2.

    Question One:
    I refer you to https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...4840/page/2557. Some temporary transfers from the Army to the RAF. Were they volunteers, or were they sent? For what purpose? Were they proto-RAF Regt (but there are Tankies, Gunners, Sappers, and even RASC – besides Infanteers)? I found one of them in WO416. He was Flt Lt R L MacGregor (43105) GD Branch. He goes in the Italian cage (date unknown). When they – the Italians - ‘change sides’ he ends up in German L3 #228338. He gets released and (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/...upplement/4851) shows he Relinquishes his RAF Commission “on return to Army service” (still as a 2/Lt!). What was all this about? What was he, and all the others, doing? – and why did they change Services?

    Question Two:
    This is, basically, looking at Q 1 through the other end of the telescope.
    In 1942 the Army Air Corps (AAC), the Glider Pilot Regt (GPR), and the Paras were invented. The AAC and the GPR would have been woefully short of experienced “Drivers, Airframe”! Does anybody know if there was a similar (reverse) migration – either voluntary, or ‘forced’ - from the RAF to the AAC/GPR, at that time? The reason I ask is that I am coming across a few POWs who WO416 either labels correctly or labels them as RAF but on checking their supposed RAF Service Numbers turn out to be Army (AAC/GPR?). In the interim I am including them “in” the G/sheet. Decisions will be made as to just where the AAC and GPR should lie in an RAF POW database (some of them may, indeed, be ex-RAF aircrew?!!!) – but it is easier to remove them than it is to put them in!

    I doubt if there are One Sentence answers, but some indication of the general background to what I am excavating would be helpful!!
    TIA
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    Default Re: Some Information – And Two Questions If You Can Answer Please

    Hi Peter,

    Look at: http://www.naval8-208-association.co...cGregor01.html (1, 2, 3)

    Regards

    Mojmir

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    Default Re: Some Information – And Two Questions If You Can Answer Please

    Mojmir,
    Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!! What made that tale you passed so good was that almost all of those Cyrenaican locations mentioned I have actually been to during either of my tours at El Adem!!! Flt Lt R L MacGregor was just a Number/Rank/Name - he is now a Person!! Mni tks!!
    HTH
    Peter Davies
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    Default Re: Some Information – And Two Questions If You Can Answer Please

    Peter

    As is implied by Mojmir's item on McGregor I think you will find that all those P/Offs in the Gazette were transferred to the RAF to train as Army Co-op pilots... everything I have read/heard says they were volunteers... many of them became very successful Tac/R pilots...

    Steve

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    Default Re: Some Information – And Two Questions If You Can Answer Please

    Hi Peter,

    Looked into North Sea drift patterns a few years ago when a casualty off Rotterdam ended up in the Baltic.

    https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig4_226306833

    Found that a high number of losses into the sea off Calais/Rotterdam/Antwerp ended up was ashore on the coast (both west and east) of Denmark.

    The above chart shows the main circulation pattern.

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