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    Default Blue on Blue - Beaufighter shoots down a B-29 over India

    Thanks to Franek while trawling the airforcehistoryindex.org website - i came across an entry that set me off on this discovery mission

    http://airforcehistoryindex.org/data/000/266/750.xml


    B-29 AIRCRAFT NO. 6331 WAS SHOT DOWN BY BEAUFIGHTER AIRCRAFT OF DETACHMENT OF ROYAL AIR FORCE 89 NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON (CHITTAGONG, INDIA). INCIDENT ASCRIBED TO LACK OF 20 BOMBER COMMAND OFF-ROUTE PROCEDURES TO INFORM FRIENDLY RADAR STATIONS AND FIGHTER CONTROL OF FREINDLY B-29 AIRCRAFT PRESENCE AND LACK OF EQUIPMENT AND INFORMATION TO PROPERLY PERFORM IFF (IDENTIFICATION FREIND OR FOE) PROCEDURES FROM B-29 AIRCRAFT. INCLUDES NOTES TAKEN DURING CONFERENCE HELD BY ARMY AIR FORCES, INDIA BURMA THEATER, AIR INSPECTOR 29 DEC 44; NOTES TAKEN AT CONFERENCE AT HEADQUARTERS, 20 BOMBER COMMAND, 30 DEC 44; NOTES TAKEN OF CONVERSATION WITH DUTY FILTER CONTROL OFFICER, BALLYGUNGE, INDIA, FILTER CONTROL STATION, 28 DEC 44; NOTES TAKEN AT CONFERENCE HELD AT DETACHMENT, 89 NIGHT FIGHTER SQUADRON, 31 DEC 44; AND OTHER DOCUMENTS.
    Found this quote by Matt Poole at https://www.40thbombgroup.org/Rangoon.html
    I have some information relatingto the RAF Beaufighter's downing of a Superfortress over Burma on Dec 20,
    1944 (reported in Issue #57 of Memories). A good friend of mine, ex-RAF B-24
    flight engineer, met a bloke when returning to England after the war. This
    bloke, a Beaufighter navigator, said his pilot shot down the Superfortress,
    knowing it was an American bomber. They were pissed off at the Americans for
    shooting down Beaufighters -- something your Memories story brings up.


    The name of the pilot and navigator involved (2-man crew in a Beaufighter)
    could easily be found in the British records...may even be
    able to get this via the internet, on a message board. (Matt Poole)
    Details of the shoot down are found in 89 Squadron F540
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...mageViewerLink

    An unfortunate accident occurred at Chittagong where S/L R R Morison scrambled after a bogey, obtained a visual on a four engined aircraft which he proceeded to shoot down after repeated assurances from Operations controller that it was a hostile. When aircraft burst into flames he recognized it a a USAAF B29. There were six survivors

    And F541 Page 3
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...mageViewerLink

    Summary

    Beaufighter Mk VI D 86xx Flt Sgt J W Cossens and Flt Sgt K C Rose
    E8710 Sqn Ldr R R Morison and WO E H Powell.

    "A Beaufighter was diverted from a GCI Practice to investigate a bogey reported 20 miles south of Chittagong. Handed over to GCI, but interception could not be carried out since 'Weapon' was bent. GCI Took over .. Beaufighter S/L Morison and WO E H Powell who reported over R/T at 2140 hours saying bomb bursts below. This statement was confirmed by F/S Cossons.

    S/L Morrison was vectored towards the bandit and asked 'Whether this was the real thing'. Ops replied in the affirmative, providing the confirmation a few minutes later. Pilot obtained visual on a four engined aircraft but could not be identified being down moon. Pilot opened fire at 700 closing to 500' with five second bursts obtaining strikes along the center section and fired port petrol tanks. Beaufighter climbed above port to observe results. Identifying aircraft as B-29 Superfortress. Six members of the crew were seen to ale out before machine struck the sea. Beaufighter pancaked at Chittagong 22.50 hours


    https://user.xmission.com/~tmathews/b29/56years/56years-4412.html
    states

    BURMA: The 40th Bomb Group lost one B-29 today.

    42-6331, "Gone With The Wind", Maj. Robert Moss crew, Chittagon, Burma, shot down by a British Beaufighter, two killed. Gone With The Wind was the first B-29 to arrive in the CBI.
    Photos of 42-6331 https://www.40thbombgroup.org/Aircraft/42-6331.html
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    Default Re: Blue on Blue - Beaufighter shoots down a B-29 over India

    Jagan, I just caught your posting. Nice job of investigating. I am presuming that the Beaufighter navigator was referring to the B-29 "Gone with the Wind". My friend, an ex-159 Squadron Liberator flight engineer, was impeccably honest in everything he related to me, as best I can tell, so either there was a cover-up ordered to keep any word of the downing of a US bomber by a British aircraft from enraging American personnel, or else the navigator was spinning a tall tale.

    A cover-up is a possibility, though we probably shall never know the truth. I say "possibility" based upon another incident from just over a month later, in the same theater of war. On the night of 22-23 January 1945, RAF 358 Squadron sent eleven Liberators from Digri, then its West Bengal, India, base (about 65 miles west of Calcutta), all the way to northern French Indo-China on the squadron's very first Special Duties op (dropping supplies to anti-Japanese forces in an area near Hanoi controlled by the Japanese). The British purposely did not tell the Americans about this op because there was a fundamental bone of contention between the Americans and British on how to deal with postwar FIC. The US favored backing Ho Chi Minh and independence from France, while the British wanted French colonialism to be reestablished.

    So, serious bad blood existed between the British and American high and mighty, and this would explain why the British withheld any info on this op from the Americans. The RAF believed that permission to use American bases in southern China would have been denied, and the British didn't want the Americans to know what their intentions were. Thus, the Americans were uninformed that the Liberators were being sent on the long, direct nighttime flight from India to FIC. Both the outward flights and the return flights had to pass over a portion of southern China to reach northern FIC.

    The weather to the target zones was horrendous that night over Burma, and the drop zones in FIC were obscured by heavy cloud. Three Libs failed to return. There is some sketchy evidence that at least one of the three was shot down by an American P-61 night fighter, and that a cover-up was ordered to prevent the sowing of widespread discontent among British forces.

    I personally think that two of the Liberators crashed in the Chin Hills on their outward legs, in Burma, after failing to penetrate a dangerous weather front. It is at least possible that the third Lib to be lost, over northern FIC, was purposely shot down by the Americans, in order to make a statement.

    The locations of the first two crash sites in Burma were only a few miles apart and along the route they were scheduled to fly to reach FIC. And the crash area was nowhere near where American P-61s would have patrolled -- supposedly the region was over four hundred miles from the nearest US fighter base in China and well outside not only the range of roving American night fighters, but also the area of their operational command. And, per one book source I've seen (not that it's reliable info), no bullet marks were found in the Chin Hills wreckage of the two Liberators. It is much less likely that the bombers crashed on their return legs due to American night fighter damage far to the east, over FIC or China.

    The third Lib went down over northern FIC for reasons that have not been clarified. If downed by the Americans, it certainly is reasonable to conclude that a deliberate attack was due to a genuine case of mistaken identity in challenging weather conditions at night.

    If there was a cover-up, it was fairly complete, and successful; sealed lips were in everyone's best interests. To the present, the only primary references to a possible cover-up that have come to light can be traced to a 27 February 1945 private letter from British General (Brigadier?) Carton de Wiart VC, senior British representative with General Chiang Kai-shek. Allegedly, de Wiart was told of a shoot-down by General Claire Chennault.

    Countering the argument that the B-29 was downed in retaliation is the fact that the date of the B-29 loss was about one month before the Liberator losses. Thus, it predates the alleged downing of one or more British B-24s, so it would not have been a case of bad blood in response to any rumors of a deliberate American attack upon RAF aircraft. Still, the Beaufighter action in downing the B-29 could conceivably have been based on other bad blood, even if the Beaufighter airmen were acting upon a rumor.

    I haven't even seen the de Wiart letter, and for all I know there is other primary evidence of a cover-up of the to be found, but I have my doubts.
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    Default Re: Blue on Blue - Beaufighter shoots down a B-29 over India

    Thanks Matt. fascinating background to this.

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...Sqdn&crdb=SEAC

    358 Squadrons seemed to have paid a heavy price - going by SEAC standards. losing 24 airmen

    http://www.rafcommands.com/database/...qunit=358+Sqdn

    It does appear that they recovered remains from two of the aircraft. KH215 and KH277. Which lines up with what you mentioned about the investigations into the crash sites.

    KH278 and some members from KH277 are lost forever.



    As for the friendly fire from the Americans, there is this case http://www.rafcommands.com/database/....php?qnum=2001 Sgt Stanley Ball, an Indian airgunner shot by mistaken identity by USAAF B25s

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