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    98.5 percent achieved. 1800 left to account for. Where do we go from here and how and how do we present the information ?

    What I don't think we should do is add incomplete entries for the sake of lowering the total. I have a mass of partial and negative information but I am concerned, after getting so far, as to how to record it. I really don't want things lost in the mass and untraceable for future research.

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    BVAF 4 Airmen outstanding. So far I've been unable to trace anything on there Airmen and I have no idea where to search further

    GREEK AF 2 Airmen outstanding, 1 died in hospital partially outstanding. I'm amazed how many of these Airmen I managed to trace, I can find nothing on
    The remainder. The names may be spelt wrong but I've checked by date, by hospital records and by other means. I have been unable to trace if
    Death certificates from Palestine and Egypt exist from that era. I have not contacted the Greek armed forces, but that may be an option

    MVAF 2 Airmen outstanding. I have been unable to locate anything on these two Airmen

    RNZAF & NZ WAAF 7 outstanding. NZ death certificates exist and the NZ Armed forces could be asked for information, these records do exist

    POLISH 2 outstanding and several pooly accounted. These have all been checked and UK death certificates are the only avenue

    RAAF & RAAF WAAF 7 outstanding these records exist in the NAA in Canberra but are not currently digitised, an Australian nearby could do these in a day

    RAF HOME 1000 Airmen outstanding. I think no more than 300 of these Airmen will have records. Death certificates would be the only way. Visiting local
    Archives has been tried and is uneconomical, unless people who live close could check the archives local to them

    RAF Overseas local enlistment Airmen 36 on the Singapore memorial and 1 on the Alamein memorial. I have been unable to trace anything on
    These Airmen. I have no idea if Death certificates exist for this period in Singapore and Malaysia

    RAF IRAQ 69 Levies Outstanding I have bo further idea where to check on these casualties having checked every record I have been able to trace

    RHODESIAN AAC 22 Airmen outstanding I have been unable to trace anything on these Airmen.

    RIAF 529 Airmen outstanding Indian death records for the period exist. They record cause of death. They exist in the University of British Columbia. I do
    Not know if they include Airmen. Eyes on and confirmation on an Airmen being in these records would be immensley useful.RIAF causes of death were reported
    to RIAF HQ. I have located the pure statistical details
    For the causes of death for every Indian Airman but they have no names or dates appended. Just year and causes. 100 of natural, 100 in accidents etc
    It may be worth reaching out to the RIAF records office to see if individual casualty cards still exist

    RIAF Hong Kong - Airman Desai I have checked all relevant military hospital records and he is not mentioned. Hong Kong death certificates for 1946 do
    Exist

    SAAF & SAAF WAAF 91 outstanding these records exist in SADF records, but several request have bounced back every time. Contacting a South Africa embassy may be an approach

    WEST AFRICAN Air Corps 27 Airmen outstanding I have located the record of this force and against every man in merely states " died " and a date. Only one had a cause. I have checked all
    The military hospital records in the relevant regions and found nothing. I have no idea on how to progress
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    Jon,
    "RAAF & RAAF WAAF 7 outstanding"
    By all means post (or email me) their names and service nos.
    Even in the depths of a brisk CBRrrr Winter, the NAA Office in East Block is just a bus-ride away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Clark View Post
    Jon,
    "RAAF & RAAF WAAF 7 outstanding"
    By all means post (or email me) their names and service nos.
    Even in the depths of a brisk CBRrrr Winter, the NAA Office in East Block is just a bus-ride away.

    Don
    Well that would be simply marvelous

    AC1 James John Whalley 151106 15/05/47 files 5347475 & 21793414

    AC2 Geoffrey Herbert Davis 89474 09/10/47 files 1067073 & 4953481 & 32516733

    F/O Colin Douglas Kerr 132448 10/10/47 files 5244178 & 32638419

    W/O Brian Douglas Liston 418439 02/11/47 files 5548398 & 32227309 & 23625088

    ACW4 Dorothy Francis Davies 100629 26/11/47 files 4947481 & 32222025 & 32516645 & 204128274

    LAC Fleming Ronald Hunt 128743 27/11/47 files 5354313 & 32160257 & 32636434

    Cpl Jack Walters 64407 27/12/47 files 4598818 & 21510613

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    THE RAF AIRMEN OUTSTANDING IN THE U.K.

    these fall into several categories

    1) Those I've checked who died post discharge and have no details available other than by the purchase of death certificate, or possibly by people checking in local archives close to them


    2) Serving Airmen who I've checked but however :

    A) Who have no details recorded of death whatsoever

    B ) Who died of natural causes but have no actual cause recorded

    C) Who died in accidents but who have no actual nature of the accident recorded


    Before I enter 700 or so entries of this type. I'd really like us to gain a consensus on how we are going to record and present this information to ensure the best outcome and traceability and not to decrease the 1,5 percent outstanding through all such entries, merely for the mere false accounting sake of doing so. I do think, we're better than that after all this work

    Random Examples of each type of category are as follows :

    1) Laurence Dryden Watson 619667 1943-11-30 died post medical discharge in Bath. He has no record and would require the purchase of a GRO death certificate to resolve

    2 A ) Charles Albert Bennett 923280 1944-07-03 attached to 2752 Squadron RAF Regiment died in Romford Essex. He has no record and no entry in the 2752 Squadron ORB and would require
    The purchase of a GRO death certificate to resolve


    2 B ) Cecil Cedric Ormonde Bermingham 76272 1941-11-10 Attached to 4 MU died whilst undergoing medical attention in St. James hospital, Portsmouth. No cause is recorded and nothing
    Other than a mention of his death in the ORB 29/961 for 4 MU

    2C ) Henry Lionel Frances Thompson 1058306 07-01-1945 attached to ASR at RAF Calshott died there in an accident. The nature of the accident is not recorded and there is no entry in the ORB
    For RAF Calshott

    Suggestions please ? Thoughts I had were different colour codes on these entries or adding categories below the country search box ? E.G. Post discharge deaths

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    For Whalley 151106 read Whaley 151106
    Both files Open for access.

    Re Walters 64407
    His A9301 RAAF service file, digitised, records only
    23 Feb 1945: Medical Board Assessment permanently medically unfit for further service
    3 May 1945: Discharged, medically unfit for further service.
    25 Jul 1950: Notification - Death attributable to war service.

    A8231 file: his War Grave registration card - I'll check if it records cause of death.

    Date of death (DVA WW2 Nominal Roll) 27 Dec 1947
    Death notice Sydney Morning Herald Walters John age 45, late of Tempe. Notice date 29 Dec 1945. (Ryerson Index)


    Of the other personnel, several have files likely to be relevant but marked Not yet examined (ie no public access until cleared).
    I'll request they be examined but that will at least delay looking.
    While the NAA redaction solution is quite simple and user-friendly (file avail for access, simple secure envelope of redacted folios) that may perhaps cover cause of death folios.

    Looking at the several open files may take me a week or so.
    Request for examination of the others may take several weeks to resolve.

    Additional
    For notes on current NAA digitising and record access, see
    https://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sh...391#post184391
    Last edited by Don Clark; 19th June 2023 at 01:40.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonheyworth View Post


    2 B ) Cecil Cedric Ormonde Bermingham 76272 1941-11-10 Attached to 4 MU died whilst undergoing medical attention in St. James hospital, Portsmouth. No cause is recorded and nothing
    Other than a mention of his death in the ORB 29/961 for 4 MU
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    My opinion is that if the place of death is recorded as a hospital , it can be added to the DB. Rest are a bit fuzzy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagan View Post
    My opinion is that if the place of death is recorded as a hospital , it can be added to the DB. Rest are a bit fuzzy
    Only thing I’d say there is the ones I’ve resolved who merely had “ hospital “ have a had a great variety in actual cause from natural deaths, to a range of accidents, wounds by enemy action to suicidal causes ! Died in an hospital really doesn’t finalise it. Also for any new future researchers, they would become lost in the mass of 122,000. The really good thing about this database is it’s wide range of search facilities
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    "Leading Aircraftman S J DESAI (IND/25908) RIAF Died 24th Feb 1946"

    Thanks to a posting here https://gwulo.com/comment/68536#comment-68536

    His full name is

    L/AC Soli Jehangir Desai
    BIRTH
    unknown
    DEATH
    24 Feb 1946
    BURIAL
    Parsee Cemetery
    Happy Valley, Hong Kong Island, Hong Kong
    PLOT
    No. 115
    MEMORIAL ID
    14626957 View Source

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    Here is #1

    Aircraftman 2nd Class Maxwell Stanley NELSON 'Max' (425733) RNZAF 1943-06-03 New Zealand New Plymouth (Te Henui) CemeteRef : 20. 1. 1.
    "Was Army by time of death, so have not included him in FYT."

    Aircraftman Nelson (Nelsson) enlisted at Wodburn, Blenheim
    on the 30th May 1942, and employed there on aerodrome defence duties
    until re-mustered to a Wireless Operator and posted to Wigram on
    31st July 1942 for his wireless training, He was posted to the reserve on
    1st December 1942, on account of illness contacted in the service. But
    died on the 3rd June 1943. He was buried in the Te Henui Cemetery, New Plymouth

    His illness contacted on service was
    Suffering from rubella, followed by Toxic myocarditis

    He signed his name Nelsson and all RNZAF documentation concerning his death say NELSSON - however the grave of him an mother is NELSON
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    Warrant Officer Class I Joan Annie Sumner CROWTHER (W/2928) 1944-02-21 New Zealand Christchurch (Bromley) CrematoRef : SS 1R 6.

    Discharged 1 May 1943 - So not in FYT

    from PapersPast: Died at Christchurch Hospital Ward 8 Public Hospital
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