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    Default Re: Curtiss Kittyhawk/Tomahawk anomalies

    Hi Andy,

    Not to reverse conclusions reached but page 59 appears to suggest that the Army unit that came upon the site identified Munro’s aircraft as AK383.

    I found pages 17, 19, 31 and 48 of related interest.

    Robert

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    Hi Buz, ��Wondered if you were watching this thread seeing it is about your favourite subject.��
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    Default Re: Curtiss Kittyhawk/Tomahawk anomalies

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    PM Sent

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    Default Re: Curtiss Kittyhawk/Tomahawk anomalies

    Update and correction. AK457 was flown out in May 1941, the June entry is the duplicate. AM553 was a Hudson.

    From Buz: AM383 serial comes from 102MU’s ORB, the date 102MU issued it to 250SQN (ORB confirms 5 new aircraft in that day). Which is quite solid evidence.

    Unfortunately finding a complete list of Tomahawks in Egypt is difficult, comparing current notes leaves gaps, 102 MU does not always mention serials. The following from Buz to mid/end May 1941 are not in the Takoradi serials, AK461, AK462, AK463, AK464, AK465, AK469, AK470, AK474, AK475, AK476, AK477, AK482, AK484, AK488, AK565 and AM384, 16 aircraft, all marked as from USA. Against that from the same source Takoradi aircraft AK378, AK393, AK402 and AK440 are marked as from USA.

    It does show there were direct imports USA to Middle East before June 1941, looking at the various reports, as early as April.

    Trouble with the main British import/export file AIR 19/524 is Takoradi is considered Middle East and months tend to be 4 or 5 weeks long. To try and sort things out I am using different files some of which are weekly and may not be consistent with each other. Also 2 Tomahawks were shipped from Britain to Takoradi and they may or may not be counted.

    AIR 19/524 imports from North America, the Middle East cumulative imports in 1941, to end April 205, to end May 260, to end June 265.

    Air 20/271 and 22/401, Takoradi cumulative imports
    197 as of 2 May
    222 as of 6 June
    222 as of 4 July.

    Air 8/511, 512 and 513. Middle East cumulative imports to 4 July are 267, Takoradi 2 ex UK plus 220 USA, 45 direct to ME, the latter agrees with AIR 19/524 at 265 aircraft.

    Assuming for the moment the weekly reports can be used with the monthly ones and not counting the 2 from Britain, the split of cumulative imports to Middle East via Takoradi versus Direct to Egypt is April 195 to 10, May 220 to 40, June 220 to 45. For the 3 months Takoradi says 197, 222 and 222, but 2 came from the UK.

    Takoradi ORB says arrivals of Tomahawks were 2 in January from UK, 100 in February, 0 in March, 95 in April, 25 in May, 0 in June.

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    Default Re: Curtiss Kittyhawk/Tomahawk anomalies

    Thanks to all for the continued work on this single query. It's going to take a while to sort them all out at this rate!
    Taking in mind the evidence that AM383 is known to have been delivered to 250 Sqn in June (less than a week before its loss), I am personally content that AM383 was indeed Munro's aircraft, and have amended the database accordingly:
    https://www.rafcommands.com/database...php?uniq=AM383
    Thanks to Jagan's hard work in making the database well-linked to sources/messages etc, anyone wanting to read our discussions will be pointed towards this thread on that page.

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    Default Re: Curtiss Kittyhawk/Tomahawk anomalies

    Andy

    Just to wrap this one up with a neat bow, seems AK383 did not leave Takoradi until Sep 1941, thus AK383 could not have been the aircraft flown by Munro Jun 1941

    Buz

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