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    Another query as a result of my reading the highly enjoyable "Truculent Tribes Turbulent Skies" (Vic Flintham, Air-Britain, 2015).
    On Page 125 it says, with reference to 14 Sqn:
    "Sadly on 16 February 1933 Gordons K2621 and K2623 collided during formation flying practice, resulting in the death of one airman whose parachute failed to open".
    The inference is that (at least) one of the aircraft crashed.
    Was this K2621? But this was SOC 12.11.34, over 18 months later.
    K2623 on the other hand was not SOC until 1941.
    Slightly clouding matters, at:
    http://www.adf-serials.com.au/nz-serials/nzgordon.htm
    it says under K2636 "collided with K2621 in formation near Ma'an on 16 February 1933 and landed safely".

    However, in the RAF Fatalities 1933 thread,
    https://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sh...149#post118149
    Col mentions the death of AC1 Stocks as the result of a collision between Gordon K2636 and Fairey IIIF K1158 on 3 January 1933, both of which landed safely.

    I am wondering if this is one and the same incident?
    Andy

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    Andy

    The incident involving Stocks was widely reported in the newspapers in Januaury 1933, and AC Stocks is reported as 509742 Aircraftman Charles Stocks, of Halifax, and that the aircraft involved was a Fairey IIIF.

    The Scotsman of January 6th reported:

    The Air Ministry announced yesterday that No. 509742 Aircraftman Charles Stocks lost his life in descending by parachute from a damaged aircraft, in which he was a passenger, near Amman, Transjordan, on Tuesday.
    Flight-Lieut. Richard Llewellyn Roger Atcherley, the pilot, landed the machine safely, and was not injured.
    "According to reports received," states the Ministry, "the aircraft in question came into collison with another aircraft, whcih also landed safely and without injury to the occupants."


    The article notes that Atcherley was part of the 1929 Schneider Cup winning team.

    See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Atcherley

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    Simon,
    Thanks, it seems very likely that this was the incident referred to in the book.
    To put my mind totally at rest, were there any RAF fatalities on 16 February 1933 which could fit the bill for this date?
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    Ansy

    The 14 Sqn ORB mentions the Stocks accident in the January entry, but no mention of an accident in February 1933:

    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...ils/r/C2502825

    Page 110 of 148.

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    Thanks Simon.

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    This covers my 2 main interests interwar casualties and parachute incidents


    KIFA 3 January 1933
    3.1.1933 Fairey IIIF K1158, 14 Sqn, Amman
    Passenger baled out after collision with Gordon K2636; a/c landed safely, near Amman, Transjordan
    AC1 Charles Stocks (23) #509742 killed (He met his death while attempting to descend by parachute from a machine piloted by Flight-lieutenant R. L. R. Atcherley) Stocks is buried Ramleh War Cemetery.
    Flt Lt Richard Llewellyn Roger Atcherley unhurt
    Plt Off George Richard Moorby unhurt in K2636




    During the third practice sortie of the day on 3 January (1933), Plt Off G R Moorby* flying in a Gordon (K2636), found himself overtaking his leader, Flt Lt Atcherley in a Fairey IIIF (K1158). As Moorby tried to correct his position he was caught by the leader's slipstream and collided with Atcherley's tailfin. With the fin bent over at an alarming angle AC1 C Stocks, in the back of the IIIF, decided that it was time to leave and abandoned the aircraft, unfortunately his parachute opened too late and he was killed. Both aircraft subsequently landed safely.

    See:
    Winged Crusaders:The Exploits of 14 Squadron RFC & RAF 1915-1945.
    Napier,Michael.
    Barnsley:Pen and Sword,2012.
    pp.136 & 149

    * George Moorby resigned his commission in 1934.

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    Furthermore I only have 1 unidentified RAF/Airman Death in the whole of Feb 1933 - I can't even find a death record for them


    Airman WALLIS William Alfred ?????? "PROBABLY NOT WALLIS, WILLIAM EWART 34 -
    GRO Reference: 1933 M Quarter in WEYMOUTH Volume 05A Page 422 Accidently Killed 17th Feb 1933 RTA Explosives Island Quarries"

    Royal Air Force
    During February 1933
    Died during February 1933

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    AIR 10-1563 Report on Flying Accidents during Jan-June 1933

    No actual dates given but enough detail to work out the where what who etc

    Page 6

    Details of Collisions
    In Air
    Fatal

    1) Bulldog
    Bulldog

    Date 19.5.1933 Bulldog IIA K2201 (Flt Lt George Edwin Campbell DFM (32) killed) and K2191 (Flt Lt James Francis Moir baled out)

    2) Avro 504
    Avro 504


    Date 19.5.1933 Avro 504N J8533 (Flt Lt Murray Meyrick Restell-Little (33) killed and Act Plt Off Patrick Hunter Dunn unhurt - Landed plane OK)
    J8533 (Act Plt Off John Frederick Napier Fairbanks (21) killed)


    3) Fury
    Fury

    Date 28.2.1933 Fury I K1936 (Plt Off Robert Vincent Rolph (20) Killed) and K1933 (Plt Off Colin Campbell McMullen injured)


    4) Gordon
    III F

    Date 3.1.1933 Fairey IIIF K1158 (Flt Lt Richard Llewellyn Roger Atcherley unhurt AC1 Charles Stocks (23) killed)
    Gordon K2636 (Plt Off George Richard Moorby unhurt)

    Details in AIR 10-1563

    During flight formation practice, the Gordon pilot overshot a little, and
    experiencing a bump got caught in the slipstream of his leaders aeroplane
    with which he then collided, the passenger jumped or fell out of the IIIF
    but did not pull rip cord he may have been injured when leaving aircraft

    No Injury Collisions in Air

    These are harder to work out , but as you can see between Jan and June 1933
    no other Gordon collision

    5) Atlas
    Atlas

    6) Bulldog
    Bulldog

    Date: 19.4.1933 3 Squadron J9584 Collided in formation aerobatics, Upavon with K1605
    Both landed safely

    7) Bulldog
    Bulldog

    Date 3.4.1933 K2233 Collided with K2480 during attack on bombers and "abandoned", Filton,
    K2480 crashlanded. Filton, 3.4.33;
    Note: I can't find a bailout for this date - See below not abandoned

    8) Bulldog
    Sidestrand

    Date 1.6.1933; Bulldog K1640 (3 Sqn) collided with Sidestrand J9768 during attack, Upavon
    Both landed safely

    9) Flycatcher
    FlyCatcher

    Date 11.4.1933 N9907 (Flt/Lt Richard Rupert Nash bailed out) and S1276 Sergeant Leslie Jack Dixon # 351794 landed OK

    10) Wapiti
    Wapiti
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    No Bailout on 3rd April 1933

    Western Daily Press - Tuesday 04 April 1933
    Page 12

    'PLANES COLLIDE AT FILTON.
    One Makes a Forced Landing.
    Two Bristol Bulldog aeroplanes came into collision in mid-air over Filton Aerodrome last evening.

    One of the wings of one of the machines was buckled, and the 'plane, in making a forced landing,
    overturned. The pilot was uninjured, and the other 'plane landed in the normal way.

    Albert Morgan, who is employed Nash's garage, nearby, told a 'Press and Mirror' representative
    that he saw the 'planes flying close together, and then collide. "

    "I could see that one of the 'planes was difficulties," he said,
    "but fortunately the machines were quite low when the accident occurred.

    " I saw the pilot climb out immediately after the machine came down."

    The damaged 'plane was quickly removed, flare lights being used dusk to complete the work.

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    Paul,
    Thanks for all the extra info.
    Might be worth re-posting in another thread before it all gets lost amongst Fairey Gordons..
    Andy

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