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    Col and Brian, thats super, I've added basic details to me first big post and directed readers to your posts.

    At this point the only open questions still are:

    Listed twice on CWGC, also as "Husband of Irene Dawson. in aeroplane crash in sea off Ryde"
    DAWSON, HARRY, H Civilian * Civilian War Dead 01/08/40 Unknown

    CAMERON, GEOFFREY VALENTINE, G V Civilian ( Batchelor of Arts ) * Civilian War Dead 23/05/41 37


    I might suggest these men might be connected to RAF FC Hudson AE545, who Christie in Ocean Bridge lists the crew as F/L R F Leavitt, Elwood Wallace McFall and Robert Desmond Anderson. Tho Anderson below is credited with a DFC by his CWGC entry.
    McLEAN , W Civilian * Civilian War Dead 20/09/41 Unknown
    ANDERSON , H D Civilian * Civilian War Dead 21/09/41 Unknown

    DAVIDSON, CHARLES JOHN, C J Civilian * Civilian War Dead 16/12/41 45
    His entry lists him as: of H.M. Dockyard, Malta. Husband of Winifred Gladys Davidson.

    BEARD , R E Civilian * Civilian War Dead 14/09/42 Unknown
    PALMER , C L Civilian * Civilian War Dead 14/09/42 Unknown
    Same date on CWGC lists a Capt. Charles Leonard Palmer on the Brookwood Memorial, Unit as General List. There is no similar person named Beard.
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    I'm amazed! I only started this thread to draw attention to the Air Crashes at Sea Civilian War dead category on the CWGC website as it's not very easy to find. I only stumbled on it when I was looking for something else, and despite having visited the website hundreds of times didn't know it existed. I thought it could be useful for other researchers to know about.

    I'm amazed (as always) at the wealth of knowledge produced from users of this board, and the great thing about the info provided is that it should pop up in search engines now which the info on the CWGC website doesn't seem to.

    Many thanks to all who have added additional info about the losses which I'm sure in the coming years will prove to be useful to many. I've certainly learnt a lot more having read through it.

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    I adjusted the message above about Harry Dawson to include a suposition about his maybe being on the Vildebeest aircraft.

    As regards C L Palmer,

    UK National Archives has file

    Records of Special Operations Executive 1936-1992
    HS 9 Special Operations Executive: Personnel Files (PF Series)
    HS 9/1139/4 Charles Leonard PALMER - date of birth not known, died 25.09.1942

    Date of death is different and there is no similar one for R E Beard.

    But then it seems a good chance they were on the BOAC S.23 Clare G-AFCZ.
    This old thread closed with five names unaccounted for.
    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=printer_format&om=2150&forum=DCForu mID6
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    Default Re: Beard/Palmer - 14/09/1042

    Dennis,

    Title should read -Re: Beard/Palmer - 14/09/1942!

    The following needs to be knocked into shape:

    14/15-9-1942
    British Overseas Airways Corporation.
    S.30 Empire Flying-boat G-AFCZ "Clare".

    In transit from Bathurst, Gambia, to Britain via Lisbon, Portugal. Forced-landed with engine trouble at 14.20N 17.32W, broke up and sank. Six crew and thirteen passengers killed.

    Crew:

    27204 F/O (First Pilot) George Bertram MUSSON RAF (RAFO), Seconded to BOAC + - Malta Memorial.
    122135 P/O (Act. First Off./Second Pilot) Arthur Douglas Charles JENKINS RAFVR + - Runnymede Memorial.
    1375499 Sgt (2nd Nav.Off.) Eric Edwin LACE RAFVR, Seconded to BOAC + - Malta Memorial.
    First Officer (Sup.Nav.Off.) A O CUNDY BOAC + - Malta Memorial.
    Radio Officer Edgar Frederick Goldie BRENT BOAC + - Malta Memorial.
    Radio Officer J A WYCHERLEY BOAC + - Malta Memorial.

    Passengers:

    926353 F/Sgt (Obs.) Alfred Charles ALLBERRY RAFVR + - 37 Sqn. - Fajara War Cemetery*
    NZ404678 P/O Terence Albert DIXON RNZAF + - 37 Sqn. - Malta Memorial.
    655178 Sgt James Victor GLANSFIELD RAF + - 37 Sqn. - Malta Memorial.
    72159 W/C Ronald Ogilvy Maurice GRAHAM RAFVR, DFC + - CO. 37 Sqn. - Malta Memorial.
    1014109 F/Sgt George Ball HARDMAN RAFVR + 37 Sqn. - Fajara War Cemetery*
    1059568 F/Sgt William KELLY RAFVR + 37 Sqn. - Maltal Memorial.
    Can J/4525 F/Lt James Frankish MAGUIRE RCAF + 37 Sqn. - Malta Memorial.
    78645 S/L John Arthur Hampden PARKER RAFVR + 37 Sqn. - Malta Memorial.
    580863 W/O Alick Edward TURLEY DFM RAF + 37 Sqn. - Malta Memorial.

    *Two reported in FYT1/248, as buried at sea. In the Amendments to Volumes One & Two (FYT3/553), Errol states: (Vol.1/p.248), DIXON,T A - for Alamein Memorial, read Malta Memorial. There were nine (not eight) ex-37 Sqn. airmen on board, also two British Army officers , a member of the Free French and a civilian.

    All the above is provisional, and needs work.

    Who has a copy of, 'Though Without Anger'?

    Col.
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    I've emailed the BA museum just now, that'll put it to sleep I think.
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    We have discussed Dawson before

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=943&highlight=dawson

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    Fail on my part! That clears that up. I mailed the Test Memorial last night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL BRUGGY View Post
    926353 F/Sgt (Obs.) Alfred Charles ALLBERRY RAFVR + - 37 Sqn. - Fajara War Cemetery*
    1014109 F/Sgt George Ball HARDMAN RAFVR + 37 Sqn. - Fajara War Cemetery*

    *Two reported in FYT1/248, as buried at sea. In the Amendments to Volumes One & Two (FYT3/553), Errol states: (Vol.1/p.248), DIXON,T A - for Alamein Memorial, read Malta Memorial. There were nine (not eight) ex-37 Sqn. airmen on board, also two British Army officers , a member of the Free French and a civilian.

    Col.
    Col,

    A copy of a No.5 MREU report dated 21 Jun 48 held on the service record of one of the RNZAF members on board listed 8 'tour expiry' passengers, including Allberry and Hardman.

    In para 2 it reported that 'An immediate search was carried out but no trace could be found of the aircraft or its occupants, though it is believed that the bodies of Sgt Hardman and F/Sgt Ballberry were later recovered from the sea.'

    When preparing FYT1 I had access to the printed register for the Fajara War Cemetery (pub 1950s?) which recorded both men as being remembered there on a 'Special Memorial'. I took this to mean that their bodies had been recovered but were then buried at sea (there is, for instance, a Gibraltar Memorial which serves the same purpose for those buried at sea there). I wonder if there has been a transcription error re 'graves' when the register was computerised?

    Errol

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    Errol,

    There appear to be ten burial plots, 'Behind (the) Cross of Sacrifice' at Fajara War Cemetery, one of which is marked by a simple cross (See:Cemetery Photos). Six of these plots are occupied by named Allied personnel.

    Maybe, Dennis could drop the CWGC a line.

    Col.

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    they'll send a hit squad for me if I do! I've a few over eager requests with them so I'll let them get answered first. Ought to be a simple request though.

    In the cemetery photo there is I think a line of graves behind the cross and there are other personell listed as 'behind cross of sacrifice'.
    http://www.cwgc.org/CWGCImgs/Fajara%20Jan%2008%20(81).JPG

    There is a 'cross' shaped headstone also if you note.

    Going through the lists:
    Behind the Cross:
    Gr 1 ?
    Gr 2 Harris
    Gr 3 Birmingham
    Gr 4 HARDMAN
    Gr 5 ?
    Gr 6 ALLBERRY
    Gr 7 Richards
    Gr 8 Cardy

    I'd by a guess at the photos say there are 10 graves behind there.
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