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    Default Unaccounted airman - 29-8-1942 (India)

    Looking for info on the death of W/Cdr (Pilot) Robert B. HARVEY - 37172 (RAF from Canada) - 45 Sqn (Asansol, India), killed on active service and buried Delhi War Cemetery.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
    Henk.

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    .........at that time the sqn was equipped with Bristol Blenheims Mk.IV.

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    Henk,

    Not quite what you want.

    A.

    On the 29th August (1942), news of another death reached the squadron (No.45). Fg. Off John Rowe* had been flying one of a pair of Ryan PT-22s which had crashed near Allahabad. Both pilots (the other was the Station Commander, Wg Cdr.R.B.Harvey) had been killed.

    B.

    Nominal Roll - 1921 - 1976.

    J H Rowe Plt Off - Fg Off. Pilot. From 12/41 to 29/8/42 KFA.

    Note: Died while flying on attachment to No.308 MU.

    See:
    The Flying Camels:The History of No.45 Sqn, RAF.
    Jefford,C G
    High Wycombe:Author,1995.
    A. p.236
    B. p.521 & 523.

    * AUS400375 F/O John Heywood ROWE RAAF.

    The Ryan that Rowe was flying is identified in the title of his A705 as; Ryan N 22-41. I believe this a spurious ID. (Both of the Ryans could be ex-Dutch or Chinese aircraft).

    Harvey is not listed on the CVWM!

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    Thanks Col; this will keep us busy for a while. Also will inform CVWM. (Could "N" be a [former] US civil registration ?).
    Regards,
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    Henk,

    We can't rule that out. There were Ryan ST/SCs (not necessarily PT-22s), registered - N26JC and N27JG, so anything is possible. A bit out of my area though.

    I checked Baugher, nothing obvious there:

    Known Ryan PT-22 batches.

    PT-22
    41-1881 to 41-1980

    PT-22
    41-15173 to 41-15745

    PT-22
    41-20591 to 41-21040

    PT-22A
    42-57479 to 42-57503

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    Col,
    Assume two PT-22 were involved. 45 Squadron didn't have this type of aircraft on their strength. Could it be both airmen had their aircraft "on loan" from the Indian Air Force ?

    Henk.

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    Henk,

    The implication is that there were two (2) PT-22s involved ('one of a pair - both pilots killed').
    Neither of the PT-22s would have been on 45 Sqn strength. l can find no evidence that the RAF ever had PT-22s on their books.
    Rowe was attached to 308 MU, Allahabad, as a test pilot. I imagine they would have had aircraft from all over the CBI area in their park.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 8th October 2009 at 16:34. Reason: minor correction

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    No proof but I assume N 22-41

    May be tye 22 is for Ryan 22 .. Therefor the 41 could be part of CN for the NEI Ryan PT-22's which according to Aerofiles were... Of course if we had the NEI serial numbers for the NEI Ryan PT-22's...



    18924 STA, 406 - > Kinner Co as test-bed
    STM, 407-446 - > Netherlands East Indies AF
    STM, 447-458 - > Netherlands East Indies Navy
    STM, 459-475 - > Netherlands East Indies AF
    STM, 476 - > Netherlands East Indies Navy
    STM, 477-514 - > Netherlands East Indies AF

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    Hello Paul,

    I was aware of the Aerofiles material.

    Many of the ex-Dutch STM-2s later served with the RAAF. A useful listing can be found here:

    http://www.adf-serials.com/2a50.shtml

    and...

    http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/waf/neth/mld/types/ryanST.htm

    Still working on the problem.

    Col.
    Last edited by COL BRUGGY; 10th October 2009 at 03:06. Reason: minor correction

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    Two pictures of RNAS Ryan STM's in "75 Jaar MLD" (75 Years of Marine Luchtvaartdienst = Naval Air Service). Serial S51 of an STM and S11 of an STM-S2 (floatplane).

    Henk.

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