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    Default Unaccounted airman - 29-8-1942 (India)

    Looking for info on the death of W/Cdr (Pilot) Robert B. HARVEY - 37172 (RAF from Canada) - 45 Sqn (Asansol, India), killed on active service and buried Delhi War Cemetery.

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    .........at that time the sqn was equipped with Bristol Blenheims Mk.IV.

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    Henk,

    Not quite what you want.

    A.

    On the 29th August (1942), news of another death reached the squadron (No.45). Fg. Off John Rowe* had been flying one of a pair of Ryan PT-22s which had crashed near Allahabad. Both pilots (the other was the Station Commander, Wg Cdr.R.B.Harvey) had been killed.

    B.

    Nominal Roll - 1921 - 1976.

    J H Rowe Plt Off - Fg Off. Pilot. From 12/41 to 29/8/42 KFA.

    Note: Died while flying on attachment to No.308 MU.

    See:
    The Flying Camels:The History of No.45 Sqn, RAF.
    Jefford,C G
    High Wycombe:Author,1995.
    A. p.236
    B. p.521 & 523.

    * AUS400375 F/O John Heywood ROWE RAAF.

    The Ryan that Rowe was flying is identified in the title of his A705 as; Ryan N 22-41. I believe this a spurious ID. (Both of the Ryans could be ex-Dutch or Chinese aircraft).

    Harvey is not listed on the CVWM!

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    Thanks Col; this will keep us busy for a while. Also will inform CVWM. (Could "N" be a [former] US civil registration ?).
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    Henk,

    We can't rule that out. There were Ryan ST/SCs (not necessarily PT-22s), registered - N26JC and N27JG, so anything is possible. A bit out of my area though.

    I checked Baugher, nothing obvious there:

    Known Ryan PT-22 batches.

    PT-22
    41-1881 to 41-1980

    PT-22
    41-15173 to 41-15745

    PT-22
    41-20591 to 41-21040

    PT-22A
    42-57479 to 42-57503

    Col.
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    Col,
    Assume two PT-22 were involved. 45 Squadron didn't have this type of aircraft on their strength. Could it be both airmen had their aircraft "on loan" from the Indian Air Force ?

    Henk.

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    G'Day Ross,

    That information is most welcome, particularly in regard to AUS400375 F/O John Heywood ROWE RAAF.

    Problem is; Joe Baugher lists both of those aircraft as going to China on August 31, 1943!

    Thanks Mate.
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    Hi Col,


    Looks like something is adrift.


    F1180 gives both as Cat E, description of accident is practice formation, one aircraft broke away then rejoined in close proximity, both pilots took immediate avoiding action causing both aircraft to stall and spin in.


    The death dates support the F1180 and the description of accident as well as the fatalities support Cat E.


    Baugher date suggests that MU took 1 year to recat and repair both aircraft before onward shipping. Possible as the unit was an MU and could have used various spare sections to produce zero hour airframes which were given old serials to balance the order/delivered books.


    Baugher or transcription may have got the year wrong and assumed as no further trace the aircraft had been shipped.


    One for the moment to add "possibly" to the aircraft serial/deaths until proven otherwise.


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    Default Re: 420829 - Unaccounted airman - 29-8-1942 (India)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ross_McNeill View Post

    F1180 gives both as Cat E, description of accident is practice formation, one aircraft broke away then rejoined in close proximity, both pilots took immediate avoiding action causing both aircraft to stall and spin in.
    One for the moment to add "possibly" to the aircraft serial/deaths until proven otherwise.
    308 MU confirms identity of the aircraft as stated in F1180 as well as the pilots in that order. No question on the fates.

    Court of INquiry done by Wg Cdr W Dougall 70187 from 221 Gp

    Findings : 1) Unauthorized low flying 2) Quick Avoiding Action causing loss of control at insufficient altitude.

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