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    Hello,

    I would like to know what became these futur Officers who were at the final of their course at Cranwell in summer 1934:

    F/C Sgt RJ Burrough - F/C Sgt H Molyneux - F/C Sgt D Saward - F/C UO PJA Riddell
    F/C UO PW AShton - F/C UO AF Hards - F/C Sgt RG Yaxley - F/C Sgt DG Stokes

    F/C JE Kirk - F/C RCF Lister - F/C Sgt ND Ahston - F/C C Charlton-Jones - F/C Sgt EE Vielle
    F/C Cpl CLY Wright - F/C RE Curry - F/C Cpl ARD MacDonell - F/C DW Williams - F/C Cpl HD Beck

    F/C WA Hugues - F/C Cpl KE Cornabe - F/C AF Spurrier - F/C H Runganadhan -
    F/C TR Manson - F/C HJ Hobbs - F/C JE Lowe - F/C Cpl GAV Clayton - F/C PDW Hackforth.

    Thank you for your help.

    Alain.

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    Hi Alain, try a search of flight magazine and you will get most of their postings from Cranwell. See this page in particular:
    Go down to appointments and then Pilot Officers:
    http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1934/1934%20-%200956.html

    You can get their full names from the london gazette and then just checking a couple of the names on CWGC i have found a couple too.

    Yaxley is one i checked and a quick google search brings up an entry on this very website for his MC citation in 1936:
    http://www.rafcommands.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=5488&forum=DCForumID 6


    Plenty of sources to look up for info thats for sure!

    Cheers, Tom

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    Hi Alain

    d/u indicates 'date unknown'.

    F/C UO AF Hards is:

    ALAN FREDERICK HARDS, 43367; b. Beckenham, May 1914; app. to perm. com as Plt Off on grad. from RAFC Cranwell, 28 Jul 1934; 41 Sqn, 28 Jul 1934; 802 Sqn, HMS Glorious, Jul 1935; Fg Off, 28 Jan 1936; 24 Sqn, d/u 1937; Flt Lt, 28 Jan 1938; Sqn Ldr, d/u; 206 Sqn, d/u; Temp Wg Cdr, 1 Sep 1941; DSO (206 Sqn), 7 Jul 1942; MiD, 1 Jan 1943; RAE, Farnborough, d/u Jan 1944; Wg Cdr (WS), 14 Aug 1944; Gp Capt, d/u; CO, RAF Farnborough, d/u; KIFA whilst flt. testing Dornier 335, 18 Jan 1946, aged 31; s. of AVM Frederick G D Hards CBE DSO DFC & Alice Hards, & husb. of Rosemary Hards of Cuckfield, Sussex; rem. on Panel 2 of Woking (St. John’s) Crem., Surrey; medals auctioned, Sep 2004

    F/C RCF Lister is:

    LISTER, ROBERT CHARLES FRANKLIN, 33118, RAF; b. 23 Aug 1913; grntd. perm. com. as Plt Off on grad. from Cranwell., 28 Jul 1934; 13 Sqn, 28 Jul 1934; 20 Sqn, 28 Feb 1935; Fg Off, 28 Jan 1936; Actg Flt Lt, 10 Nov 1937; Flt Lt, 28 Jan 1938; MiD, 18 Feb 1938; DFC, 16 Aug 1938; FIC, CFS Upavon, d/u; 10 FTS, Tern Hill, d/u; Adjt., 614 Sqn AuxAF, 2 Jan 1939; EF on TO & CL, fracturing spine, late 1939; NE sick, 9 months, late 1939-1940; Sqn Ldr, 1 Jan 1940; Temp. Position, Air Min., d/u 1940; 7 OTU, d/u; CO, 41 Sqn, 8-14 Sep 1940; SD/WIA by Me109 & baled out, 14 Sep 1940; Supry. & subs. CO, 92 Sqn, 22 Sep 1940; WIA by Me109s over Maidstone, but managed to land & admtd. to Farnborough Hosp., 24 Sep 1940; declared med. unfit for flg. duties, Jun 1941; Controller, Ops. Room, Bgn. Hill, d/u 1941; Temp. Wg Cdr, 1 Dec 1941; SASO, 219 Grp., Apr 1942; CO, 209 Grp., Oct 1943; Wg Cdr (WS), 10 Apr 1944; Staff, AHQ Eastern Med., Sep 1944-Jul 1945; CO, RAF Amman, Aug 1945-Mar 1946; CO, RAF Wattisham, d/u; Wg Cdr, 1 Oct 1946; SAO, HQ 64 Grp., d/u; Stn. Cdr., RAF Newton, d/u; ret. 31 Oct 1954, rtng. Gp Capt; d. Mar 1998

    Sorry, I know these have a lot of blanks, but it should give you an idea of these pilots' careers. Can you or anyone else fill any of the blanks for me?

    May I ask your interest in these men, please?

    Regard
    Steve
    41 (F) Squadron RAF at War and Peace, April 1916-March 1946
    http://brew.clients.ch/41sqnraf.htm

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    Thank you Tom and Steve !

    My interest in these Officers is that they were all with G/C J R Jeudwine OBE DSO DFC at Cranwell in the same course in 1934.
    I want to know what they became, if they survived to the war and if they did a long service in RAF.
    Jeudwine went to Cranwell in 1932,get out in summer 1934,to 12 sq in 1935,then 823 Sq until 1939,in Wireless Intelligence Service in Egypt ,then 70 OTU in september 1941.
    C/O of 84 Sq from january 42 , C/O of 55 Sq in July 42 to November 42.
    C/O of N°6 Ferry Unit, then C/O of 619 Sq, BASO 54 Base 1944, then Station Commander
    of RAF Dunholme Lodge and Strubby until the end of the war.
    Killed in a flying accident 19/10/45 at Little Staughton...

    I got a poor photograph of all these young men taken in July 1934 at Cranwell.All proud futur Officers in RAF .

    I did not know that RAF tested the Do 335...could have been the same kite tested in France ??

    Alain

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    hello Alain,

    To reply to your question about the Dornier Do-335, these machines were others than the ones tested in France.

    The best book on the subject is "War Prizes" by Phil BUTLER. On page 107 there's a short history of Dornier Do-335A-12 WNr 240112 which received Air Ministry number AM223. This aircraft was surrendered to US forces at the Dornier factory of Oberpfaffenhofen to the west of Munich and was flown under supervision of the airfield of Neubiberg to the south east of the city with a number of other Do 335s. It was later handed over to the British Air Intelligence organisation and was flown from Neubiberg to Strasbourg and Reims on 7th September 1945 bu S/L McCarthy. On the following day it contined to Farnborough via Manston. This was a two-seat trainer version of this large tandem-engined fighter. It made a test flight on 1st October 1945 but then remained grounded until a second test flight on 15th January 1946, appearing in the meantime in the static display of the German Aircraft Exhibition. On 18th January 1946 it made a third test flight and caught fire in the air after the rear engine overheated and crashed at Cove near Farnborough, killing G/C Alan F. HARDS, C.O. Experimental Flying at Farnborough. After this accident severe restrictions were placed on the flying of ex-Luftwaffe aircraft at Farnborough.

    There was another Do-335 intended for use by Farnborough, a single seater, which received Air Min number AM225 but during its ferrying flight from Reims to U.K. on 13th December 1945, but made a forced-landing at Merville, 20 km from my home, with its nose wheel retracted. The Dornier was scrapped locally.

    Joss
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    Alain,

    Richard James Burrough, DFC, mid
    Retired as Wg Cdr 12.1.58

    Henry Molyneux
    Fg Off, Killed flying accident 11.8.36

    Dudley Saward, OBE, mid
    Retired as Gp Capt 8.8.45

    Peter John Archibald Riddell, CBE, mid (3)
    Retired as Gp Capt 1.3.47

    Paul Wingrave Ashton
    Fg Off, killed in flying accident 23.5.36

    Alan Frederick Hards, DSO, mid
    Gp Capt, killed active service [no date]

    Robert Gordon Yaxley, DSO, MC, DFC
    Gp Capt, missing, death presumed [no date]

    Donald George Stokes
    Retired as Gp Capt 12.6.59

    John Enfield Kirk, OBE
    Retired as Gp Capt 18.9.58

    Robert Charles Franklin Lister, DFC, mid
    Retired as Gp Capt 31.10.54

    Norman Dorrington Ashton (not Ahston)
    Plt Off, killed in flying accident 27.6.35

    Cecil Charlton-Jones
    Wg Cdr, killed in action [no date]

    Eugene Emil Vielle, OBE, AFRAeS
    Retired as Gp Capt 14.11.57

    Christopher Louis Yser Wright
    Wg Cdr, missing, death presumed [no date]

    Ronald Ernest Curry
    Retired as Sqn Ldr 27.2.45

    Aeneas Ronald Donald MacDonell, DFC, mid
    Air Cdre [no date, still serving at time of listing?]

    Douglas Walker Williams, CBE, mid (2), AFRAeS
    Retired as Gp Capt 11.2.61

    Hugh Denis Beck,
    Sqn Ldr, killed on active service [no date]

    William Arthur Hughes (not Hugues)
    Wg Cdr, killed on active service [no date]

    Kenneth Ernest Cornabe
    Wg Cdr, 'left the service' 19.6.45

    Arthur Frederick Spurrier,
    Plt Off, deceased [no date]

    Henry Runganadhan
    Indian Air Force

    Timothy Roderick Manson
    Flt Lt, killed on active service [no date]

    Harold John Hobbs, CBE
    Gp Capt [still serving at time of list?]

    James Henry [note initials not JE] Lowe
    Sqn Ldr, killed in action [no date]

    George Arthur Vere Clayton, DFC, mid
    Retired as Gp Capt 19.12.57

    Peter Dudley Walter Hackforth
    Retired as Wg Cdr 1.12.54

    Source: List of Graduates, RAF College Cranwell, 5.2.40 to 18.12.62

    Errol

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    hello,

    To follow on Errol's message, Dudley Saward wrote the book "The Bomber's Eye", Cassell 1959, about the work of the Telecommunications Research Establishment. Chapter one starts like this : 'On the morning of July 21st, 1940, I was posted to the Blind Approach Technical & Development Unit at Boscombe Down. [...] Just prior to the outbreak of war, I had completed the Long Signals Course et the Electrical and Wireless School, Cranwell.

    Joss

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    Thank you Errol and Joss !

    Found that F/O Henry Molyneux died 11 august 1936.

    The two Ashton could have been brother ??

    Concerning the Do335, a very interesting kite, had a special device to eject the rear
    propeller before to baled out .But a very heavy aircraft to land !

    Alain.

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    OUPS!
    I wanted to speak about P/O Arthur Frederick Spurrier killed 1 February 1936 and not abour Molyneux !

    F/Lt Henry Runganadhan, Indian Air Force, killed in a flying accident in a Hudson where he was passenger,on 3 October 1942, as C/O of 1 Squadron .

    So, on 29 young Offficers getting out from Cranwell on 28 July 1934, 14 were killed whom
    four before the war.

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    Runganadhan has been mentioned before adn I know the Hudson ID has been identified..

    Henk may have the details

    Paul

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