421125 - Unaccounted airmen - 25-11-1942

[Henk Welting]

What were the places of death registration for:

A - Killed on active service:
Sgt (Pilot) Norman HIBBERT - 1130703;
Sgt (Pilot) Ronald D.G. HOGGINS - 1312576, and
F/O (Flight: P/O) Cyril C. LOGIN - 88285.

B - Killed in action:
F/O (WOp/Ag) Henry KNAPP - 47850 - 143 Sqn (Grimsby, Lincolnshire); may have been killed on board of an aircraft that safely returned to base.

C - Not found in Flight archives:
AC2 Gerald F. LEGG - 1728893;
AC2 Walter LUKE - 1695427;
Cpl Colin MacKENZIE - 991707 - 222 Sqn (Ayr), and
AC2 William N. TURNBULL - 1645435 - age 35.

D - Proposed aircraft losses:
Botha I - L6342 - 3 AGS - crashed in forced landing 3½ mile from Castle Kennedy.
Tiger Moth II - T7411 - 4 FIS - dived into ground Haslingfield, Cambridgeshire.
Tomahawk II.B - AK144 - 2 Sqn - spun into ground Sawbridgeworth.
Master II - DL404 - 17 (P)AFU - collided with Master DK933 emerging from cloud and spun into ground Great Cressingham, Norfolk (DK933 could land safely).

Regards and thanks for your help.
Henk.

[Henk Welting]

Killed in action:
for Henry KNAPP should read 142 Sqn (instead of 143 Sqn).

[dennis_burke]

A - Killed on active service:
Sgt (Pilot) Norman HIBBERT - 1130703; age 20 Wayland, Norfolk
Sgt (Pilot) Ronald D.G. HOGGINS - 1312576, age 20, Wayland, Norfolk, Great Cressingham is in Wayland district. So perhaps Master DL404

F/O (Flight: P/O) Cyril C. LOGIN - 88285. Cambridgeshire register age 34 Maybe the Tiger Moth.

B - Killed in action:
F/O (WOp/Ag) Henry KNAPP - 47850 - Q4 Devon Central district, age 29. No age given on CWGC.

C - Not found in Flight archives:
AC2 Gerald F. LEGG - 1728893; age 19 Christchurch district, Hampshire
AC2 Walter LUKE - 1695427; age 33 Cleveland district, Yorkshire North Riding
Cpl Colin MacKENZIE - 991707 - 222 Sqn (Ayr), There is a 22 yr old Colin McKenzie in Perth district, Perthshire, Scotland, he came from and is buried in Perthshire.
AC2 William N. TURNBULL - 1645435 - age 35. Boston district, Lincolnshire

You can use the "edit" button Henk to correct the small things like that Squadron number, no need fo ra new posting and there's no time limit on when you can edit. It'll save breaking up posts like.

[COL BRUGGY]

Henk,

Re: Tomahawk II.B - AK144 - 2 Sqn.

The same month (November, 1942), 126594 P/O Peter Maxwell GORDON-CROSBY (+ 19-4-1943 - 2 Sqn. Mustang I AG464), crashed on landing Tomahawk AK144 at Sawbridgeworth. He was only slightly injured.

See:
Second To None:The History of No II (AC) Squadron Royal Air Force 1912-1992.
Onderwater,Hans
Shrewsbury:Airlife,1992.
p.93

Col.

[Henk Welting]

Thanks Col & Dennis for this prompt reply.
Dennis: "Eddit function" never done before; will give it a try next time.

Henk.

[Buz]

Further to the accident for Tomahawk AK144, the aircraft was still with 2Sqdn as it was converted to a Vertical Photo aircraft, which hadn't as yet been completed for the Mustangs.

Buz

[Ross_McNeill]

Hi Henk,

Hoggins and Hibbert confirmed with No.17(P)AFU in the ORB.

Regards
Ross

[Vitesse]

"The same month (November, 1942), 126594 P/O Peter Maxwell GORDON-CROSBY (+ 19-4-1943 - 2 Sqn. Mustang I AG464), crashed on landing Tomahawk AK144 at Sawbridgeworth. He was only slightly injured."

Does anyone have more details of the loss of Gordon-Crosby? CWGC has him on the Runnymede Memorial, so I'm guessing he went down in the sea?

He was the son of the noted motoring, military and aviation artist F Gordon Crosby, who took his own life later that year.

[AJS]

I have just inherited his war medal from his cousin. I can confirm that he is buried in Scone, Perthshire age 22. he died on 25.11.1942 in Perth Royal Infirmary. His cousin wrote, "he was in the RAF as a fitter and was working on a plane when someone started the engine and he fell off. That was the start of the illness that caused his death.
I acquired his death certificate which says under 'cause of death' - "Rheumatic fever (15 years ago and 11 years ago) 4 months. Bacterial endocarditis - 3 months.
I'd be very interested in any information re his service - where? how long? what is a fitter?. Is any such information available?
AJS

[Ross_McNeill]

Login confirmed as only fatality on Tiger Moth II - T7411.

Regards
Ross